EF2000 (split from First Sims thread)

[EtherealN]

The flight model part of EF2000 was a bit meh at times though. I have fond memories of taking off at Oslo Gardemoen (full fuel, clean configuration), immediately going vertical and continuing as such to 100 000 feet, then flying inverted to stockholm where I would buzz the city and then head straight up to 100 000 feet for an inverted flight back home. :D

[shagrat]

The flight model part of EF2000 was a bit meh at times though. I have fond memories of taking off at Oslo Gardemoen (full fuel, clean configuration), immediately going vertical and continuing as such to 100 000 feet, then flying inverted to stockholm where I would buzz the city and then head straight up to 100 000 feet for an inverted flight back home. :D

 

Not necessarily, this thing has POOOWWWEERRR :lol: read this comment from Chris Worning (EF2000 testpilot)

Citation: "Even more significant is the fact that the high thrust of the PW229 is reached by an almost 100% augmentation in reheat so when we compare dry power, Eurofighter has 75% more thrust."

 

and this comment from an Air-Show:

"They had Eurofighter flying there........ You have NEVER seen something do what that did at the air show! Full burn off the runway, and straight into the vertical.....straight up! And that was before it got 1/3 of the way down the runway!"

 

http://www.combatsim.com/memb123/htm/2001/04/typhoon1/

 

But I guess the fuel consumption was not modeled correctly then you said up to the stratosphere and to and fro whole norway??? :D

 

The flight model was brilliant though for the time, you could feel the plane, anticipate roll behaviour all this little things that take it apart from other titles of that time.

 

Hmm, I must try to run this old Win95 Super EF2000 on my Win 7 - I know I have it. Saw it when sorting out trash from my "cupboard"... of course it went back to the shelf :thumbup:

[EtherealN]

Citation: "Even more significant is the fact that the high thrust of the PW229 is reached by an almost 100% augmentation in reheat so when we compare dry power, Eurofighter has 75% more thrust."

 

Having lots of thrust down here is fine and good. Up there, the engine won't operate. That's not a question of "thrust", it's a question of oxygen in one part and aerodynamics on the other. ;)

EDIT: Put it like this - the Eurofighter I flew there was up higher than the U-2 and the SR-71 by almost the same margin that a 747 is above your house. :P

 

and this comment from an Air-Show:

"They had Eurofighter flying there........ You have NEVER seen something do what that did at the air show! Full burn off the runway, and straight into the vertical.....straight up! And that was before it got 1/3 of the way down the runway!"

 

Welcome to JAS-39 Gripen, F-15 Eagle, MiG-29 Fulcrum, Su-27 Flanker, Dassault Rafale, F-22A Raptor, J-35 Draken and so on and so forth. :P

 

Also, that's surface level. Completely different thing.

 

But I guess the fuel consumption was not modeled correctly then you said up to the stratosphere and to and fro whole norway??? :D

 

No, fuel is not a problem there. Gardemoen-Stockholm-Gardemoen. Besides - the stratosphere is almost where you want to be if you want fuel economy. That's why fighter jets, passenger airliners and strategic bombers fly up there at the edge of it. ;)

 

 

Anyways, I think I'll split this conversation out into a separate thread, since we are derailing. :)

Edited April 21, 2011 by EtherealN

[shagrat]

Having lots of thrust down here is fine and good. Up there, the engine won't operate. That's not a question of "thrust", it's a question of oxygen in one part and aerodynamics on the other. ;)

EDIT: Put it like this - the Eurofighter I flew there was up higher than the U-2 and the SR-71 by almost the same margin that a 747 is above your house. :P

 

 

 

Welcome to JAS-39 Gripen, F-15 Eagle, MiG-29 Fulcrum, Su-27 Flanker, Dassault Rafale, F-22A Raptor, J-35 Draken and so on and so forth. :P

 

Also, that's surface level. Completely different thing.

 

 

 

No, fuel is not a problem there. Gardemoen-Stockholm-Gardemoen. Besides - the stratosphere is almost where you want to be if you want fuel economy. That's why fighter jets, passenger airliners and strategic bombers fly up there at the edge of it. ;)

 

Anyways, I think I'll split this conversation out into a separate thread, since we are derailing. :)

 

Yeah, right I agree about that thrust issue, though the control surfaces responded very sluggish in that thin air, if I remember correctly.

I guess a lot of modern jets have tremendous power.

 

"Fly me to the moon" - Sinatra :thumbup:

 

I'll give that a try with the revival installation during the easter vacation.

 

In general I'll stick to it: for the time (1996?) it was absolutely brilliant, compared with the competitors.

 

The next Military Flight Sim modelling Jets that had this "Wow!"-Effect was Flanker followed by LOMAC.

 

According to the flight over Norway: I did it like Oslo - NorthCape and back nearly without refuelling... ok it took some glide approach on the runway but it was possible :music_whistling:

 

What I would really like ED to implement is the basic TactCom Idea of some Frontlines Airports and ressources that are influenced according to your mission success. I know it can be done with the Mission Editor, but it is a lot of effort to build it mission for mission. A layer concept depending on ressources was an intriguing idea in EF2000 TactCom. And it worked quite good on my Pentium90.

 

A mix of the already implemented Quick Mission Builder triggered with a ressource and achievement map might do the trick? ...perhaps something for the 1.2.x Patch :smilewink:

[bumfire]

A f15 and a mig25 both hit 100k+ feet in years gone by, 114k feet for the mig25.

 

The f15 was the uber stripped down streak eagle version dedicated to breaking records and the mig25 had uprated engines, I dont know if it was also modified to gain extra height, it probably was also stripped down to make it lighter.

 

But those are crazy heights for real Aircraft, supposedly the streak eagle was faster than the apollo rocket getting to 50k feet.

 

Also a english electric lightning intercepted a U2 at its working height and also intercepted and passed concorde from astern when concorde was going supersonic across the ocean to america, supposedly at the time the only nato aircraft that was capable of such a thing, as no other aircraft including the f15 could intercept concorde from the rear when it was going supersonic, I think the highest the lightning could get to was 90k feet before its engines started to pack up.

 

Really crazy power thats contained in these jet engines.

Edited April 21, 2011 by bumfire

[power5]

EE lightning needs a sim for sure. Would buy any cold war jet sim though. No expense was spared on those jets.

[shagrat]

So there! I managed to get EF2000 running on a DOS Emulator. Very tricky but it worked.

Oh gosh, it is strange to be back into the 90ies again. I managed a LGB run immediately (it was one of the first sims I remember that had a "clickable" cockpit).

 

Then the CBU (BLU-755) you could see the bomblets dropping, wow!

 

Some may disagree, but it is a classic and for the time it was way ahead of anything else I remember. :thumbup:

 

@ etherealN - I agree, the "Rocket start" is a bit, uhm,strange... but they have modeled the thinner air and the loss of control very accurate.

[Succellus]

An all time classic!!!

[BKLronin]

I loved it even with my 486 DX2-33. I had to turn down the graphics, that meant almost no textures for me there. I never used weapons just flew around like in Flght Unlimited which was always a dia show for me.

[Isegrim]

Ha Thats Funny

 

I Found my Original EF2000 CD for DOS some days ago it was my first Flight sim and i loved it .:thumbup:

 

I will give it a try with DOS Box in near Future hope it will work.

 

Get Sams out with ALARM missile Fight Tanks with MAVs drop GBUs Kill Fighters with S225 AA Missile(:huh:is it real)

 

and kill some Tanks with the 27mm Mauser>>without Tracers droping:smilewink:

 

:joystick::pilotfly:

[shagrat]

Ha Thats Funny

 

I Found my Original EF2000 CD for DOS some days ago it was my first Flight sim and i loved it .:thumbup:

 

I will give it a try with DOS Box in near Future hope it will work.

 

Get Sams out with ALARM missile Fight Tanks with MAVs drop GBUs Kill Fighters with S225 AA Missile(:huh:is it real)

 

and kill some Tanks with the 27mm Mauser>>without Tracers droping:smilewink:

 

:joystick::pilotfly:

 

Yes, DOS Box works fine!

 

The S225 is real... it just never made it into production yet, AFAIK. It was too expensive, so it still waits for the EU to have a lot of money to spend...

 

It is now called METEOR BVRAAM:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBDA_Meteor

 

and for those who understand german (english not available :dunno:):

http://eurofighter.airpower.at/bew-meteor.htm

[Isegrim]

Thanks for info :thumbup:

 

For me German isnt s Prop and its a real good site with much of informations.

 

Somebody really should Translate that.