su25 lofting?

[Vati]

Su25t can loft, just fine, however non T cannot. Is that a feature or bug?

[Hellcat61]

How? I've never seen the Su25T loft. Tutorial?

[Olgerd]

Su25t can loft, just fine, however non T cannot. Is that a feature or bug?

 

What does mean the word 'loft' in this case? Can you explain?

[504 Wolverine]

Su25t can loft, just fine, however non T cannot. Is that a feature or bug?

 

Both the Su-25K and Su-25T can loft bomb.

 

Try harder :p :D :icon_wink

 

Psst remember to use you laser

 

 

 

What does mean the word 'loft' in this case? Can you explain?

 

He means loft bombing.

 

loft bombing

A method of bombing in which the delivery plane approaches the target at a very low altitude, makes a definite pullup at a given point, releases the bomb at a predetermined point during the pullup, and tosses the bomb onto the target. See also toss bombing.

 

Example.

[chennuts]

I haven't flown the vanilla frog in a while, but I believe this can be accomplished by turning on your laser designator. Once it's on, place the designator on the target and press and hold your weapons release button. You then fly over the target and the bombs will be released at the correct time. You may toss/loft the bombs in the same manner, just increase your pitch after designating the target.

[Vati]

Try harder

Well whatever I try my bombs do not release (counter goes to zero but nothing happens) if my plane nose is above horizon in vanila 25. W/ T performing same procedure releases the bombs. And yes, I do use laser...

Please look at your artificial horizon and recheck. If it works for you, please record a track so I can see it.

[Prophet_169th]

I have tried to loft bombs a few times. But I cant get it to work.

 

Can someone make a good track for all the bomb carrying planes?

 

I would really like to do it in the jets.

[Vati]

OK I have just retried... the reason I was not releasing before was too huge release interval set, which I question if it is correct. As is now, it seems, that computer checks parameters for each bomb instead of just at the time of the pickle - first bomb release.

Now I do not know how real 25 weapons computer is controlling ripples, however I doubt if the current implementation is a correct one.

[Sleek]

everytime i log on i learn someting new! thx guy's :)

[Olgerd]

OK I have just retried... the reason I was not releasing before was too huge release interval set, which I question if it is correct. As is now, it seems, that computer checks parameters for each bomb instead of just at the time of the pickle - first bomb release.

Now I do not know how real 25 weapons computer is controlling ripples, however I doubt if the current implementation is a correct one.

 

At all russian planes a first bomb in the ripple is used for release calculations. At Su-25T you don't need to steer the plane in the vertical axis corresponding to flight director position on the HUD as it works only in horisontal plane as at Su-25. In another words the mode computations are absolutely same for both aircrafts. Only aiming symbology differs.

 

Edit:

Actually in the real life the mode does not support loft deliveries. The flight director should give you steering for level flight delivery. If you will pull after pickle you will get a loft release but without any steering cues on the HUD for this.

[Vati]

Olgerd, thank you for your answer.

However as I said above, if I set salvo and release intervals, lets say 30ms, in lofting maneuver I will not get the full release w/ nose above horizon pull in most cases, since currently weapons computer calculates release parameters for every bomb separatly. Thus I will drop, for example, only 1 bomb and not 4.

 

I would speculate that in real life, the release command is given only one time at pickle. Now if you set ripples, those should be droped w/o any weapons parameter checking. It is simply matter of delay timer function of the set interlocks.

[504 Wolverine]

Sorry I took so long getting back to you. Been busy.

 

Here's a track on the Su-25 loft bombing.

 

I made it in about 2 mins and I'm a tad rusty on flying the 25K so don't expect anything spectacular but it will give you an idea of how to do it.

 

I have flown the 25T mostly since 1.1 came out. It’s a more stable platform IMHO.

 

Also I don't know why you aren't getting multiple releases in the K in loft. Ripple intervals and quantities work ok for me.

[Olgerd]

BTW. In the real life at western aicrafts the middle point of estimated bombs impacts serie is calculated. So loft/CCRP release calculations are made for 'imaginary' bomb accounting release intervals.

[Vati]

Olgerd I know that, that's why I had written that above ;)

Thus questioning if it is correctly simulated as it is (v1.1) - WCS checking every single bomb release when in ripple.

 

I guess we have problem in communication... two guys trying to communicate where english is not their primary language ;)

[Vati]

Sorry I took so long getting back to you. Been busy.

 

Here's a track on the Su-25 loft bombing.

 

Also I don't know why you aren't getting multiple releases in the K in loft. Ripple intervals and quantities work ok for me.

Thank you for your time... it is interesting indeed that for me it does not work every time, and I am doing like you do.

I even did experiments w/ different G loads to see if I simply over G on climb. But it does not make a difference.

I must test a bit more w/ various speeds and altitudes.. to have more empiric data.

[chennuts]

I made a track with the a10, su27, su25, and su25t, each of which did a toss/loft bombing. It was a very short track, only a couple of minutes, and I forgot to save the damn thing. I have to pack for a move tomorrow, so I'll get it there eventually. Looks like someone got you a track anyway.

[Olgerd]

Olgerd I know that, that's why I had written that above ;)

Thus questioning if it is correctly simulated as it is (v1.1) - WCS checking every single bomb release when in ripple.

 

I guess we have problem in communication... two guys trying to communicate where english is not their primary language ;)

 

Yes. Seems to be so. :D

 

Regarding to the way of ingame implementation. We do computations for the first bomb in the ripple and then for the each next bomb after the release occurs.

It is correct for russian made aircrafts.

[Vati]

It is correct for russian made aircrafts.

Thank you Olgerd, that is what I wanted to hear :D