Phantom88 Posted February 21, 2012 Posted February 21, 2012 A USAF report was released Recently on this Accident from last summer at Oshkosh.... "Extreme Fogging" NORFOLK, Va. — A fighter pilot whose cockpit became engulfed in fog briefly experienced vertigo and considered ejecting during a Wisconsin air show when he lost visibility, but ultimately decided to land because he was worried about the safety of hundreds of spectators, according to a report released Tuesday. The F-16C Falcon landed safely at Wittman Regional Airport in Oshkosh, Wis., in July without anyone getting hurt, but not before going off the 8,000-foot runway and coming to a stop about 300 feet into the grass infield, causing severe damage to the jet. He was extremely concerned about the crowds to the left of the runway along with the other planes," the Air Force investigative report said. "He focused on maintaining control and ruled out ejecting as an option in order to guide the plane safely. Clearly, his attention was centered on completing a safe landing." The report says the aircraft's environmental control system was responsible for the "extreme fogging" in the cockpit, which completely obscured the Alabama Air National Guard pilot's visual cues and made a normal landing difficult. The pilot unsuccessfully attempted to defog the plane, and without the proper visual cues, didn't apply adequate aerobraking, according to the report. The pilot, who was not named in the report, told Air Force investigators that he never saw the end of the runway approaching. If not for the lack of visual and instrument references, the pilot could have come to a complete stop on the runway and still had about 1,000 feet of runway remaining, according to the report The jet was participating in support of a Tuskegee Airman event during the annual Experimental Aircraft Association AirVenture Oshkosh 2011 air show. The report said the plane had been properly maintained. The report by the Air Combat Command Accident Investigation Board at Joint Base Langley-Eustis in Hampton, Va., said the jet's nose wheel broke off once it hit the infield's soft soil, causing the nose of the plane to hit the ground. It broke off both the nose and avionics bay. The Air Force estimates the damage to the jet at $5.4 million. There was minimal damage to airport property. The jet and pilot are assigned to the 100th Fighter Squadron, 187th Fighter Wing at Dannelly Field, Ala. http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/a137609334034e5c9827efd6d5364307/VA--F-16-Accident-Investigation/ Here is a video of the incident......... __ 1 Patrick
mvsgas Posted February 21, 2012 Posted February 21, 2012 :huh: No way, that never happens, it was the jets fault no the pilots:music_whistling::smartass: To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
Phantom88 Posted February 21, 2012 Author Posted February 21, 2012 He was coming in,pretty HOT,No SpeedBrakes either,Another view of it... Patrick
PeterP Posted February 22, 2012 Posted February 22, 2012 Here come the experts. Thanks - but where is this "expert" you are talking about?
Krebs20 Posted February 22, 2012 Posted February 22, 2012 Thanks for posting! I won't forget it anytime soon. 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Phantom88 Posted February 22, 2012 Author Posted February 22, 2012 Here come the experts. I'm no expert,just an observation.;) Patrick
Vekkinho Posted February 22, 2012 Posted February 22, 2012 Video response: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A9EalSGq1E no damage to the jet... Croatian MOD should replace their fleet of MiG-21 Bis with JAS-39, F-16C or M2000 but IMHO i'd choose these fishbeds anytime over these modern marvels... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
mvsgas Posted February 22, 2012 Posted February 22, 2012 :D We all know if that MIG-21 would have gone into soft land or mud, it would be just as damaged. Hell the NLG of a 21 can't be towed unless it is secured to the MLG, so it is just as weak. Now a 16 would have sucked up all that grass, but we don't know how much the 21 sucked up or if there was any damage on the engine after that stunt. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
RIPTIDE Posted February 22, 2012 Posted February 22, 2012 ... the F-16 just keeps on smiling. gimme more grass nom nom nom. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Vekkinho Posted February 22, 2012 Posted February 22, 2012 Yup MVSGAS I know, it's just the footage from Polish '70s movie, not the real stuff. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
mvsgas Posted February 22, 2012 Posted February 22, 2012 :D I know bud, but I could not find the clip from "Jewel of the Nile" to respond. 1 To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
Vekkinho Posted February 22, 2012 Posted February 22, 2012 :D I know bud, but I could not find the clip from "Jewel of the Nile" to respond. Yeah, I know that one! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
ED Team Groove Posted February 23, 2012 ED Team Posted February 23, 2012 Firefighters? Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en
mvsgas Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 Firefighters? What do you mean? To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
Boberro Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 This is my style of landing in Falcon :D Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ
mvsgas Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 I find it funny how the Alabama pilots claims the moisture condensations is so disorienting, yet other pilots fly acrobatics in the F16 with the same conditions. RYqB7qkENdI To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
BlueRidgeDx Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) I didn't see the canopy get fogged over at any point in that video, though. All I saw was the normal air conditioning condensation, which wasn't the cited cause. The AIB says: "Cockpit ECS fog started developing in the MA as it approached the flare. As the throttle was retarded to idle, fog began to envelope the entire cockpit. As the MP began to set a pitch attitude for the aerobrake passing through 10-11 degrees, he lost sight of the HUDgun-cross and was unable to use the Nose Wheel Steering (NWS) indictor and AOA indexers for a visual reference. CSFDR data indicates that the aerobrake varied between 5 and 11-degrees AOA during the rollout. The MP started losing forward visibility first. Using the view out the side of the canopy, the MP focused on keeping the aircraft tracking down the runway. The MP reached for the DEFOG lever and shoved it full forward. He held it in that position for one or two seconds with no effect and then recycled, with yet again no change in ECS fog or airflow. The MP then experienced brief vertigo, almost a tumbling sensation, and considered ejection but was concerned for spectators and aircraft along the runways. The MP did not consider initiating a go-around because of the disorientation and no assurance that the ECS fog would dissipate, rendering the MP blind while navigating through the congested traffic pattern." Edited for format. Edited February 23, 2012 by BlueRidgeDx "They've got us surrounded again - those poor bastards!" - Lt. Col. Creighton Abrams
mvsgas Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) Try 9:45 Now I'm not saying I could do better, not anyone could do different. I just don't buy the reason. I think he got task fixated, started to play with the defog and forgot to stop the jet. Never the less, my opinion does not matter. As soon as this one gets release, will talk about it. 29 Jul 11 F-16 Kunsan AB, South Korea (PACAF) Edited February 23, 2012 by mvsgas To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
BlueRidgeDx Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) Yep, missed that the first time through. Nonetheless, the canopy itself never actually fogged over like the accident aircraft's did, and it didn't exactly occur at a critical phase of flight, either. Edit: I didn't see a link to the actual report, so here it is: http://www.militarytimes.com/static/projects/pages/022112_f16_report_executive_summary.pdf Edited February 23, 2012 by BlueRidgeDx 1 "They've got us surrounded again - those poor bastards!" - Lt. Col. Creighton Abrams
mvsgas Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 I would love to get a hold of the data recorder. I love looking at those and comparing it to the debrief, they never match. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
BlueRidgeDx Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 As soon as this one gets release, will talk about it. 29 Jul 11 F-16 Kunsan AB, South Korea (PACAF) This one? http://www.pacaf.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-111114-045.pdf "They've got us surrounded again - those poor bastards!" - Lt. Col. Creighton Abrams
Vekkinho Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 Try 9:45 Now I'm not saying I could do better, not anyone could do different. I just don't buy the reason. I think he got task fixated, started to play with the defog and forgot to stop the jet. Never the less, my opinion does not matter. As soon as this one gets release, will talk about it. 29 Jul 11 F-16 Kunsan AB, South Korea (PACAF) What's with MA emergency hook? As I can see it wasn't activated by MP and according to 2012 National Runway safety plan every airport with Airshow certificate should be euipped with arresting cables. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
BlueRidgeDx Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 The runway in use didn't have a barrier installed, so there was no point in dropping the hook. We always had a mobile barrier set up for the airshow in Dayton, but as I recall, there were only a few airplanes that couldn't waive the requirement - the F-117 being one of them. "They've got us surrounded again - those poor bastards!" - Lt. Col. Creighton Abrams
mvsgas Posted February 23, 2012 Posted February 23, 2012 BlueRidgeDx, That one plus another. What do you mean about the F117? Vekkinho, I did not understand the questions. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
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