Force Correlate

[Fish]

Been looking at this again after some time. I see an issue

 

I use FC to slew and release the first Mav on a rak of 2 AGM 65H, Then I put the second one in FC mode,

But this time it does not move freely, i must press TMS down short before slewing, and once i stop slewing, i have to do this again.

 

I tried swapping back to different AGM's on another station and even firing then, then back to the 65H, and also switched the EO off and restarted, waiterd till it warmed up, and the 65H was still in 'FC' mode, but same problem with slewing.

 

Also wondering shoud there be a way to cancel Force Correlate mode, to get back to normal mode.

 

Update

Getting back to centroid from FC mode, seems cumbersome, but don't know if its a bug or not....

Edited April 7, 2012 by Fish

[SmokeyTheLung]

Not sure about your first question.

 

You should be able to cancel FC mode by setting the maverick symbology from white to black. FC mode will only work with the white crosshairs.

[159th_Viper]

Can you post a track?

 

Just ran a quick-test and have no issue here with 2 x H's.

 

Track: Forced Correlate.trk

 

Also wondering shoud there be a way to cancel Force Correlate mode, to get back to normal mode.

 

Move Boat switch from centre position.

[Fish]

Cheers, guys, And Viper for the trk,

 

Issue 1 seems to be related to my mission, as it works fine for me with your mission Viper. My bad for not trying with another mission. :doh: I will investigate the first issue more with my mission.

 

However I tried to go back to normal mode, and no matter what position the boat switch was in, the second mav remained in FC mode. Maybe something im still missing. If you have time to check out my trk, you might see something i'm missing.

ForceCorrelate2.trk

[159th_Viper]

Aye Fish

 

Had a look and the only thing I can think of is that you are moving the Boat switch off-centre whilst it is tracking. Try and move the switch off-centre whilst you are slewing the seeker as I did in the following track with no issue:

 

Forced Correlate#2.trk

 

I cannot confirm whether that is indeed the correct behaviour (our resident SME, BlueRidgeDx, might be able to confirm - I'll see if I can draw his attention to this thread for further clarification). It does however solve the issue of deploying two Mav's (One utilizing Forced Correlate and the other Centroid) from the single launcher.

[159th_Viper]

OK - just noticed that track playback is completely FUBAR on the track linked to. 3 more attempts to record alternate tracks met with the same fate so a track will not help in this instance.

 

That said, the advice remains the same: Just move the Boat switch off-centre whilst slewing and it will toggle to Centroid tracking.

[Fish]

Thanks for the help. Tracked down the problem, but not solved yet. Is with the program on my cougar. Works fine when using the keys. No need for slewing and rocking the boat at the same time (would be difficult for me since thumb does both slew and boat!!).

 

Update,

Controller configured better now. And got the above technique working slew+boat. I can show how this would work 'ok' on the warthog, but not on a cougar. Could not see the logic of doing it this way, since you may not want to move the cursor away from a current location, when going back to centroid mode. Would have thought a simple toggle of the boat off center would do the job, maybe there's a logical explaination.

 

Maybe someone in the know would know better.

 

Cheers.

Edited April 7, 2012 by Fish

[BlueRidgeDx]

Fish,

 

Viper is correct. Forced Correlate (BOAT CTR) can only be entered while slewing, or with the seeker boresighted (CH AFT/SHORT). After slaving or initiating Track, BOAT CTR will cause the MAV to enter Seeker Boresight mode.

 

You can't go between FC and BOW/WOB once the missile is tracking. To return to centroid track, return the missile to boresight (CH AFT/SHORT), then position BOAT as required.

 

You should be able to slew the seeker in FC in order to refine the track, so if you're unable to slew in FC, that's likely a bug. I can't recall the last time I used FC, so I'll have to look at it again to see if it's changed.

[Fish]

Cheers RidgeDx,

Getting a better understanding now of FC, and how it works.

Fish,

Viper is correct. Forced Correlate (BOAT CTR) can only be entered while slewing, or with the seeker boresighted (CH AFT/SHORT). After slaving or initiating Track, BOAT CTR will cause the MAV to enter Seeker Boresight mode.

Not sure what other mode there is apart from those above, so for me pretty much works once mav is SOI, and its correct weapon. But only snaps to FC when the cursor is slewed, after BOAT CTR.

You can't go between FC and BOW/WOB once the missile is tracking. To return to centroid track, return the missile to boresight (CH AFT/SHORT), then position BOAT as required.

That's the bit i was missing, (since its combersome to 'rock the boat' and slew on my coougar).. Good stuff.

You should be able to slew the seeker in FC in order to refine the track, so if you're unable to slew in FC, that's likely a bug. I can't recall the last time I used FC, so I'll have to look at it again to see if it's changed.

Ok, now i got the bug pretty much pinned down.

On the attached miz, with 6H's which i know is not realisitc, but the problem is easier to reproduce. It does happen with smaller loadouts, sometimes with 2H's.

 

Please try to fire all 6 randomly in FC mode. Some times the cursor gets 'trapped' and you can only free it briefly with tms down.

 

Problem is FC is no good unless it can b used consistently.

Fish045_FCtest.miz

[Wolfie]

Thanks for the info. Having problems with FC too. Sometimes I want to STRANGLE the engineers that make these planes!