Naval Units test need fixed

Silver_Dragon · July 1, 2012

Ok, I return to post by some weeks ago.

Come and return to the Oliver Hazard Perry class FFG ships radar systems and weapons

On oliver_hazard_perry.lua:

Quote:

GT.Sensors = { OPTIC = {"long-range naval optics"},

RADAR = {

"Patriot str",

"perry search radar",

}

Radar ranges (RCS M^2)

ships:

Large (1000000 m^2)

Medium (100000 m^2)

Small (10000 m^2)

Vsmall (1000 m^2)

Stealth (100 m^2)

Aircraft:

Large (100 m^2)

Medium (20 m^2)

Small (5 m^2)

Vsmall (0.1 m^2)

Stealth (0.01 m^2)

On real Oliver Hazard Perry (Long Hull)

Radar

SPS-49, SPS-55

Sonar

SQS-56, SQR-19

Radar

Name Type Detection vs Large/Medium/Small/Vsmall/Stealth (On Nautical Miles [x1.852 to Km])

Modes:

SS: surface search mode

AS: Air search mode

FC: Fire control

SPS-49: AS 284/213/159/68/20

SPS-55: SS 36/32/18/10/6

Sonar:

Name Type Active Pasive Frequence Band Platform Remarks (Active and Passive On Nautical Miles

[x1.852 to Km] assume 50% detection)

Type:

H: Hull

F: Flank

T: Towed

D: Dipping

S: Sonobuoy

Fixed: Fixed Site

Loc: Locator

FC: Fire control

Frequence:

HF: High Frequency

MF: Medium Frequency

LF: Low Frequency

VLF: Very Low Frequency

"-": combined Frequency (ex. VLF-LF)

High Frequency better on active detection

Very Low Frequency better on passive detection

Platform:

Surf: Surface ship

Sub: submarine ship

Air: Aircraft

Helo: Helo

"-" on range no capable mode

Botton: on Botton sea

SQS-56: H 3.0 1.3 MF Surf

SQR-19: T - 6.8 VLF-LF Surf Long, high speed towed array

The towed array has two special characteristics:

Short, Long: the tower array has towed by the mother ships at some distance, but if the ship turn, the towed array take some time to reach the turn posicion of the ship. A short towed system take short time to turn, and a long take more time. The ship speed affect to them.

Stabilization an Bearing Ambigity: a passive towed system has the problem of first detection of a target, that give two bearing. one has the real bearing, the second has mirror of the bearing towed array. To resolve them, the ship need to make a turn and awaiting to the towed stabilized them. the real bearing don´t change, but the mirror change.

Some weapons details:

1xMk13 Missile Launcher w/40 weapons (on front ship) // 1xMk92 (up bridge "egg" radar) can use

1xSTIR radar (see down) to paint a second target.

1xMk75 76mm/62 cannon // 1x Mk92/ 1xSTIR

2xMk32 Torpedo Tubes w/6x Mk-46 Mod 5A Torpedoes

1xMk15 Block I Phalanx cannon

2xMk38 Bushmaster 25mm/87 cannon

Some numbers of 12.7 MG (variable)

Aft Pad W/2x SH-60B LAMPS III helos

Mk13 Loadout has 36 sM1MR Block IV/V and 4 Harpoon IC

Torpedo Tubes can reload by internal magazine (18 Torpedoes) on superstructure

The SM1MR Block IV/V has a anti air missile equipped with Semi Active Radar homming seeker.

SM1MR Block IV/V sensor modes:

SARH: Semi Active Radar Homing:

The missile flight to maximun speed direct to the target painted by a director radar.

Others SM1MR Block IV/V features:

- need a HF radar to operate (the Mk-92 and STIR radar).

- Can target sea targets at 25 NM (On Nautical Miles [x1.852 to Km])

The Harpoon IC has a anti ship missile equipped with Inertial + Terminal Active Radar homming seeker.

Harpoon IC sensor modes:

I/TARH: Inertial + Terminal Active Radar Homing:

The missile flight to the designate point and make a attack profile on LOAL mode how I describe before, the missile descend to attack altitude (see above) and fly direct to the target. Maximun range has 75 Nauctical milles.

The Harpoon IC has single seeker capability.

The Harpoon IC active seeker has a 3rd generation radar whit a radar azimut of +-45º aperture and detect Large/Medium/Small target at 15 Nm [Nautical Milles]. Small Targets at 6 Nm and Stealth targets at 2.5 Nm. That info has only speculative.

Others Harpoon IC features:

- Sea Skimmer Missile: el missile flight at low altitude to degrade air radars detection and degrade effectivity of surface to air missiles.

- Terminal Manoeuvres: The missile make a terminal manoeuvres to difficult enemy defence ship seekers, the terminal manoeuvres has simulate on DCS:world.

- Three Waipoints: Harpoon IC can load with 1 to 3 waypoints to move them ussing inertial to reach them on secuence and finish on the inertial activation point.

The Mk-46 Mod 5A has a anti submarine Torpedo equipped with Active / Passive sonnar homming seeker.

Mk-46 Mod 5A sensor modes:

Active: Terminal Active Sonar Homing:

The torpedo search at max speed a target on your search cone by sonar pings and lock them descend to target depth.

Passive: Terminal Passive Sonar Homming:The torpedo search at max speed a target on your search cone by ear sound sumerged signatures and lock them descend to targe depth

The Mk-46 Mod 5A has dual seeker, but only one can use at one time, setting by the torpedo

operator before fire. The torpedoe can set your velocity: 55 Knots to 10 Nautic Miles range or 40 Knots to 16.5 Nautic Miles range. The Mk-46 Mod 5A active seeker has a 3rd generation sonar whit a sonar azimut of +-75º aperture and detect Large/Medium/Small target at 15 Nm [Nautical Milles]. Small Targets at 6 Nm and Stealth targets at 3000 yards on active or 2000 yards on passive. That info has only speculative.

Others Mk-46 Mod 5A features:

- Maximun depth of operation of Mk-46 Mod 5A has 500 metres depth (speculative).

- Shallow waters capable (600 feets depth to surface).

The normal operation of O.H Perry has use Mk-92 radar to guiadance surface to air radars, and STIR to guiadance Mk-75 76mm/62

Some issues:

- on 2003 UsNavy retired sM1MR SAM missiled, deleted all Mk75 launchers, the Harpoon IC and STIR radars of O.H.Perry FFG, give missiles to others allied countries with operating the O.H. Perry ships or derivates (Spain, Taiwan, Australia, etc). Recomend no delete the Mk75 but need fixed the model add the STIR radar on the middle ship.

- The SM1MR and the Mk75 cannon can attack sea skimmer targets without penalitation.

- The O.H Perry has two AN/SLQ-25_Nixie antitorpedo decoys, you can see on two windows of back ship: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/SLQ-25_Nixie

- The Aft pad has 2xRAST (Recovery Assist, Secure and Traverse) systems to help Take off/landing helos: http://indaltech.cwfc.com/products/spokes/01a_RAST.htm

- The O.H Perry Hangar door animation still good, but only if enter a small helo. To put a medium helo how a SH-60, we need open all doors. You see them on the O.H.Perry schematic down here.

- The O.H.Perry and others UsNavy and OTAN ships has equiped with Prairie-Masker noise reduction system

- The O.H. Perry has equiped qithe 4xMark 36 SRBOC chaff and flare launchers and 4xMk 53 DLS "Nulka" missile decoy system, modeled on the superstructure but no funtional. Other systems has AN/SLQ-32 Electronic Warfare Suite, can give ESM/ECM capability to the ship. And a 2nd Generation FLIR.

Silver_Dragon · July 11, 2012

Second Test:

I roll the second test with new 1.2.0 World installation, no changes made on test archives (for details check first post):

- Coastal Gun Support

- Anti-Air Warfare

- Anti-Surface Warfare

--Short Range

--Long Range

-Airborne operations

--Helicopters

--Airplanes

Russian Force Task Group:

-Similar of previous test

NATO Force Task Group:

-Similar of previous test

-Coastal Gun Support test:

(A) No changes, but AK-130 rate of fire have very high.

(B) No changes, but AK-130 rate of fire have very high.

(D) Forward A-109 100mm cannon turn to target to fire, other no change. AK-100 rate of fire need check.

(E) No changes

(F) No changes, but AK-176 rate of fire need check (¿excessive?).

(G) No changes.

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(H) Forward or Aft Mk-45 155mm cannon turn to target or fire, other no changes. ¿New cannon fire sound effect?

(I) No changes. ¿New cannon fire sound effect?

(J) No changes.

- Anti-Air Warfare

(A) Heavy Cannon no change, AK-630 fixed (forward / starboard) fire on two pairs to same target. Port AK-630s not open fire. Other no change. ¿short range missile system degraded?

(B) Heavy Cannon, AAA and FC no change, 48N6E2 system make a plausible fire boley, but 9M330 system make a “wall of missile” overload and overpass the real system. ¿short range missile system degraded?

(D) No change.

(E) No change

(F) No change

(G)No change.

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(H) No changes. (I) No changes.

(J) No changes.

System Waste missiles on downed or destroyed targets. ¿short range missile system degraded?, some short range missiles not open fire or make delay attacks (Tunguska / Osas) and some problems with Kortin system in some ships (not fire). No coordinate response or priority over other air targets on some ships.

Short Range Antiship Warfare

(A) No change.

(B) No change.

(D) No change.

(E) No change.

(F) No change.

(G) No change.

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(H) No change.

(I) No change.

(J) No change.

Long Range Antiship Warfare

(A) P-500 Bazal [sabdbox] system open fire but boost rockets disappear early and make a wrought turn before exit launch tubes.

(B) no changes.

(D) no changes.

(E) no changes.

(F) 3M80 Sunburn [Moskit] system open fire but not deploy folding wings and make a wrought turn before exit launch tubes.

(G) No changes.

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(H) AGM-84 Harpoon System open fire.

(I) AGM-84 Harpoon System open fire but has a problem, launcher Mk13 don’t make reload harpoon secuence and show a SM-1MR on the launcher loaded always, not a Harpoon at fire, otherwise, the O.H. Perry don’t launch a Harpoon IC, lanch a Harpoon D, wrought model version missile, IC has not acelerator booster.

(J) No equip with long range antiship missiles.

Heliborne Operations

(A) No changes

(B) No changes

(D) No changes.

(E) No changes.

(F) No changes.

(G)No changes.

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(H) No changes

(I) No changes

(J)No changes.

Airborne Operations

(A) No capable.

(B) No capable.

(D) No capable.

(E) No capable.

(F) No capable.

(G) Landing operation on Kutnesov fixed.

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(H) No capable.

(I) No capable.

(J) CVN-70 Landing operation fixed.

But the problem return sometime. ATC intrusions (no separation), planes make cycles aboard, colisions with incoming traffic, and phamtom planes if collided.

Model graphic error no change.

Nate--IRL-- · July 11, 2012

SD just so you don't go crazy, please note that Naval warfare is not currently a Major focus for DCS. You input is appreciated, however it might not be possible to address for a while. I hope you understand.

Nate

Silver_Dragon · July 11, 2012

No problem

RodrigoMF_BR · July 15, 2012

The taxi problem of fixed wing at aircraf carrier was resolved..

But..

Only the leader helicopter lands at aircraft carrier..

The others leaves to a land base.

Nate--IRL-- · July 15, 2012

The taxi problem of fixed wing at aircraf carrier was resolved..

But..

Only the leader helicopter lands at aircraft carrier..

The others leaves to a land base.

Hmm - I'll take a look.

EDIT:- Reported thanks

Nate

Edited July 15, 2012 by Nate--IRL--

Silver_Dragon · November 9, 2012

I not sure if something has change on 1.2.1,X-1.2.2 version but today I edit a mission to check ships on the 1.2.2 version and that not show on mission.

On the editor:

On Mission:

All naval unit post on mission disapear

Naval Test Alpha.miz

Edited November 9, 2012 by Silver_Dragon

Silver_Dragon · November 13, 2012

nevermind.

I reinstall and check with the last update of DCS:W

Versión 1.2.2.7204

Thirt Test:

No changes made on test archives (for details check first post):

- Coastal Gun Support

- Anti-Air Warfare

- Anti-Surface Warfare

--Short Range

--Long Range

-Airborne operations

--Helicopters

--Airplanes

Russian Force Task Group:

-Similar of previous test

NATO Force Task Group:

-Similar of previous test

-Coastal Gun Support test:

(A) Ship don´t fire

(B) Ship don´t fire

(D) Ship don´t fire

(E) Ship don´t fire

(F) Ship don´t fire

(G) Ship don´t fire

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(H) Ship don´t fire

(I) Ship don´t fire

(J) No changes.

- Anti-Air Warfare

(A) No change.

(B) No change.

(D) No change.

(E) No change

(F) No change

(G) No change.

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(H) No changes.

(I) No changes.

(J) No changes.

I learn the system logic on ships, first attack with cannon / missiles more nearest targets and following engage with missiles far targets. The ship operate how the respective weapons and sensor systems don't work independent.

Short Range Antiship Warfare

(A) No change.

(B) No change.

(D) No change.

(E) No change.

(F) No change.

(G) No change.

------------------------------

(H) No change.

(I) No change.

(J) No change.

Long Range Antiship Warfare

(A) no changes..

(B) no changes.

(D) no changes.

(E) no changes.

(F) no changes..

(G) No changes.

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(H) No changes.

(I) No changes.

(J) No equip with long range antiship missiles.

Heliborne Operations

(A) No changes

(B) No changes

(D) No changes.

(E) No changes.

(F) No changes.

(G)No changes.

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(H) No changes

(I) No changes

(J)No changes.

Airborne Operations

(A) No capable.

(B) No capable.

(D) No capable.

(E) No capable.

(F) No capable.

(G) No changes.

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(H) No capable.

(I) No capable.

(J) CVN-70 Landing operation fixed.

Model graphic error no change.

problems:

- Point to target mission useless or deactivated.

- New error on fire cannon smoke, now appears how a strangle cloud vs previous effect. Similar to some tank fire cannons.

- Moskit missiles don´t deploy folding wings, that disapears.

- Ka-52 cross over Kutnesov superstructure for landing.

- Arrestor cables not show on Kutnesov

- Missaligment on carrier landing.

- AK-130 rate of fire have very high

- Some AK-630 on Moskva not open fire.

- Pyotr Velikiy make "Wall" of missiles. Overpass real guiadance and system capability. All missiles fire from AFT launchers.

- P-700 Granit [shipwreak] on Pyotr Velikiy and Kutnesov dont open fire.

- Tomahawk missiles dont fire on GC Normandy no open fire vs land targets.

Others (no improved features)

- Some missile reload animations or launcher features no improvements.

- Large caliber cannons don´t attack air and missile targets.

-Ships don't use ECM, countermesures, decoys or evasive movements with are under attack.

-No Anti Submarine Warfare (ASW) system simulated.

-Realistic fire control systems and antiair missile voley and capabilitys no symulated.

-Realistic fire control systems and antiship missile voley and capability no symulated.

-Some russian and OTAN antiair missiles can target surface targets.

Annex photos and Tkacks of helicopter and aircraft landing on kutnesov

aircraft naval landing.trk

helicopter naval landing.trk

Edited November 13, 2012 by Silver_Dragon

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