P-51D "Live Bait"

[VH-Rock]

Decided to start working on a few skins for public release which will be available at my site: http://www.axis-and-allies-paintworks.com

 

There's a few small things I want to update on this skin but I will release it at some point this week :) I would like to extend my thanks to AliFish who explained the Specular process to me as he has helped add an extra level to this skin.

 

 

PS, I'm aware of the DCS Mods forum section, but maybe a skins category inside the DSC:P-51 area would be useful? Saves a lot of looking around through unrelated stuff and the main area will more than likely become cluttered with a lot of skins discussions.

Edited May 20, 2012 by VH-Rock

[G-Lock91]

Hehe! NICE!!

[Double_D]

Nice Rock:thumbup:

[VH-Rock]

Now Available here: http://www.axis-and-allies-paintworks.com/download.php?view.531

[VH-Rock]

Big thanks to my wingman, "SkyHawk", for taking some nice screenshots for me and to AliFish for explaining how to do the Specular textures to me :) :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Robo.]

Beautiful!

 

I would add white background of the kill marks and stars, matt rudder, pilot's and crew names, allign the s/n on the tail and add s/n on the fuselage and it would be spot on. Great stuff Rock!

[VH-Rock]

Cheers Robo, Never noticed back of the Kill markings, I'm still learning all of this specular stuff. I'll get that fixed now and upload a patched version later :)

[Ali Fish]

hmm. this was not in our agreement i dont think. infact OHH MY WORD i left for work at 2 within 1.5 hrs you post this. this is a backstab as far as im concerned. AND MOST DEFINETLY NOT "COOL".

 

so you went from not knowing how to do this to master artists of light in the space of a day (1.5 hours). You sure that is all your own work ? because i think theres some of mine in there too. thanks for the appreciation but youve went about this the wrong way. and well thats a problem considering how you have betrayed my trust in you.

 

 

i explained that i wanted opportunity to do a skin pack of "MY WORK" which this is isnt it, also i agreed to do this for you for a promo video for the horsemen, not for you to take this credit yourself, WTF are you doing ? i was hoping we would have a decent friendship based on trust and reliability. but i must not have seen that coming. Or we really got our wires crossed somewhere. WOW im going to have to speak to an admin about this.

Edited May 20, 2012 by Ali Fish

[cichlidfan]

hmm. this was not in our agreement

 

...

 

WOW im going to have to speak to an admin about this.

 

Psssst. PMs are better for this.;)

[Ali Fish]

probally. but like a fool and haveing not expected this i went to post this earlier which is really annoyed me now.

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=88919

 

Psssst. PMs are better for this.;)

 

and im not ashamed and will not stop sticking up for myself.

Edited May 20, 2012 by Ali Fish

[Robo.]

Rock - not a problem, I just compared the skin with the real machine and it's just small details.

 

 

The small things would add a bit of authenticity to the skin imho, please do take it as constructive criticism.

 

hmm. this was not in our agreement i dont think. this is a backstab as far as im concerned you dirty................

 

so you went from not knowing how to do this to master artists of light in the space of a day. You sure that is all your own work ? because i think theres some of mine in there too. thanks for the appreciation but youve went about this the wrong way. and well thats a problem considering how you have betrayed my trust in you.

 

What the hell is wrong with you Ali Fish? :laugh:

[Robo.]

probally. but like a fool and haveing not expected this i went to post this earlier which is really annoyed me now.

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=88919

 

Naaah. It's just a skin. You were speaking about this specular textures as of some very deep secret. Which it is not, it's very simple and straightforward stuff and you are being ridiculous imo. :pilotfly:

[Ali Fish]

im being rediculous ? i dont follow. i respect people. i introduced myself to rock and explained what id like to do for them, within 1.5 hours of me delivering this skin to rock, he has betrayed our agreement to promo the new skins via a promo video. and betrayed my request to initiate a skin pack.

 

sir im not being rediculous im sticking up for myself and my work and my credability. but iam listening to you. trying to understand why someone would do this so to me so quickly and so blatently.

[Robo.]

im being rediculous ? i dont follow. i respect people. i introduced myself to rock and explained what id like to do for them, within 1.5 hours of me delivering this skin to rock, he has betrayed our agreement to promo the new skins via a promo video. and betrayed my request to initiate a skin pack.

 

sir im not being rediculous im sticking up for myself and my work and my credability. but iam listening to you. trying to understand why someone would do this so to me so quickly and so blatently.

 

Don't get me wrong, I have deep respect to authorship but the specular mapping is not your idea, is it? Are you the author of the above skin?

[Ali Fish]

Don't get me wrong, I have deep respect to authorship but the specular mapping is not your idea, is it? Are you the author of the above skin?

 

no i didnt program shader system. but the shader you see was given to rock 1.5 hours approx before this post. have you not seen my posts ive been showing lately of this very plane that i brought alive with MY work ? why should i give credit to rock for the livery specific decals bar the default decals when hes done this. but i should as only those parts were his <FACT> and i had modified there intensity to accomodate the more powerfull implementation. of the shader files "I" put together. 2 people have got close to understanding how its done only. another was myself, to my knowledge iam the only one that has displayed any talent regards the matter......

 

rock didnt know how to specular texture 1.5 hours before he released this, he didnt even know how to edit an alpha channel.

 

i delivered this skin at approx 2 to 1.5 hours before he posted this, so very possibly the work done on the said specular texture is what i put together and what i dellivered to him, he then sent me a screenshot of what it looked like. now i can tell by the after work on it that hes re balanced it, and well hes made a mess of it really.

 

anyway im through with it and anyone that reads may just understand where iam coming from regards my personal dealings with such a highly regarded person as Rob aka rock. and to be fair rock is not here or ablle to respond and enough has been said already. im just a bit dumbfounded, quite sure ill get over it, carry on. its not the first second or third time i been screwed over like this either.i guess i must ask for it in some respect coz it keeps bloody happening. lol.

Edited May 21, 2012 by Ali Fish

[Robo.]

rock didnt know how to specular texture 1.5 hours before he released this, he didnt even know how to edit an alpha channel.

 

And he says ''I would like to extend my thanks to AliFish who explained the Specular process to me as he has helped add an extra level to this skin.''

 

I'd suggest you keep that swearing stuff in private, it's just a skin. And there is nothing special about figuring out the specular mapping as used in the game. It's a nice skin and I am glad you helped him to deliver it. I don't know what was your intention exactly, but anyone can read few threads and posts regarding how to use the spec textures and there are many people around here that would be happy to help.

[Ali Fish]

And he says ''I would like to extend my thanks to AliFish who explained the Specular process to me as he has helped add an extra level to this skin.''

 

 

Aye! sure did add an extra level to it, i sent him it before i went to work at half past 1 in the afternoon. i dont claim all the work was mine but the concept the idea, the creativity, the art work, the will to give this to the fabulous horsemen and showcase them as a bit out there and a bit special. WAS MY IDEA and for that i have been TOTALLY BETRAYED !.

 

 

actually within the skin i failed to create the internal space for the rear roundels as white on the specular, so left it transparent on both channels. i left it as is. so yeah thats part my work there folks, for sure. given rocks accuracy and knowledge of these skins, (which is why i was happy working with him on skins, i actually offered just today for us to get a 3 pack out to coincide with promo video) my knowledge of livery accuracy is not so good yet, so it was a good fit. but given that accuracy why did rock get them wrong ? if it indeed was all his work.

Edited May 21, 2012 by Ali Fish

[Ali Fish]

And he says ''I would like to extend my thanks to AliFish who explained the Specular process to me as he has helped add an extra level to this skin.''

 

I'd suggest you keep that swearing stuff in private, it's just a skin. And there is nothing special about figuring out the specular mapping as used in the game. It's a nice skin and I am glad you helped him to deliver it. I don't know what was your intention exactly, but anyone can read few threads and posts regarding how to use the spec textures and there are many people around here that would be happy to help.

 

 

sort of undetstand you to some degree, so answer me why ive been the only one showing off just what you can do with this stuff ? its not so simple. ive been doing digital art for simulators for several years and nobody is really close to what i do bar professionals. ive had pm,s asking for the skin, ive had pm,s asking me how to multi channel texture. ive responded to incorrect methods of how to so it whilst providing information on how to do it, just to be shot down might i add. your all disrespectufll crazy bafoons around here (said in jest).rob told me he was 20 or so. i thought him more mature than to just go and blatently flaunt my damned ideas and talent one and half hours later after i deliver the first example. ONE AND A HALF HOURS ! and days after we had our agreements for some cool vids to promote his wonderfull team. sheesh,

 

can i get some respect for my work round here without you crazy people beating me up verbally for it. so dissapointing , was really making a go of it around here.

Edited May 21, 2012 by Ali Fish

[cichlidfan]

:music_whistling:

[Ali Fish]

:music_whistling:

got something to say ?

 

dont forget where u seen it first. 16/05 i made this.(do i have to say it?) with the help of rob to simply help me quickly display a real skin upon my concept. ive got videos from over 10 days ago with these metallics. also i displayed here my first swaray into the idea a while back on another skinning thread.

 

Edited May 21, 2012 by Ali Fish

[-Rudel-]

If you released a skin pack based off the released template, I surely hope you give credit and not take. From what I've seen so far, the only work that would be yours is the specular and some paint.

 

Your work on the specular is great, and it's really great you are taking the time to explain how it's done.

 

I havent released anything, because I'm still making adjustments to my own created layers. All I'm using is the given wire-frame, so it's going to take time. You probably noticed in my Red Chrome skin and grey scale test in the "Skinners Need Help" thread.

 

I'm not a professional, but I have attachments,

[Ali Fish]

i appreciate your opnions and iam listening, i have explained the semi personal flavour of what has went wrong, regarding trust, intentions etc etc ? its not just about the effect i have clearly developed myself that has been taken and released without my consent in a situation that has left me confused as to issues such as trust and intentions.

 

you didnt see anything of these effects before i put my hand to them did you, in dcs:world that is. or did you ? cant i take some notion of ownership of what i have been creating over the last 2 weeks. somthing that you havnt seen done in such a way. Granted ! it would have become apparent of the possibilities at some time, but what about.....not only graphically but technically with the new gforce cards. where is everyone with the new tech testing and creating stuff with this new tech, where are they , where are these people that apparently know all this and do it everyday. ? thats what im getting told. listen please. im past it now tbh, its not the first time i had the rug i made ripped from under me to leave me on the dusty floor boards. the perks of amateur artistry ! if ive been angry or irational this is why and thats none of your business really.

 

btw respect to you i agree about the template aspect, but thats not the point here.

 

If you released a skin pack based off the released template, I surely hope you give credit and not take. From what I've seen so far, the only work that would be yours is the specular and some paint.

 

Your work on the specular is great, and it's really great you are taking the time to explain how it's done.

 

I havent released anything, because I'm still making adjustments to my own created layers. All I'm using is the given wire-frame, so it's going to take time. You probably noticed in my Red Chrome skin and grey scale test in the "Skinners Need Help" thread.

 

I'm not a professional, but I have attachments,

Edited May 21, 2012 by Ali Fish

[-Rudel-]

.....its not just about the effect i have clearly developed myself that has been taken and released without my consent in a situation that has left me confused as to issues such as trust and intentions.

 

I understand...

 

you didnt see anything of these effects before i put my hand to them did you, in dcs:world that is. or did you ?

 

I haven't seen your effects on my computer as far as the files concerned. I'm busy working my own template while trying to create a help thead.

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=88855

 

cant i take some notion of ownership of what i have been creating over the last 2 weeks. somthing that you havnt seen done in such a way.

 

You can, I'm not stopping you. :P Personally, when I look at creations, I know what's original and what is created from scratch.

 

Granted ! it would have become apparent of the possibilities at some time, but what about.....not only graphically but technically with the new gforce cards. where is everyone with the new tech testing and creating stuff with this new tech, where are they , where are these people that apparently know all this and do it everyday. ? thats what im getting told.

 

Doing it everyday. You should know as well as I, it takes a lot of our time to create stuff for testing. For us free-lancers, we have personal lives too.

 

These past 9 hours, I completed only 2 panels of rivets on the side of the P-51. Yes, a rivet counter and C.O.D. about my stuff. :D

 

The people testing or developing the sim ususally uses a low spec'd out computer. I've been there, done that. If you can run the game on an earlier GeForce , surely it will work on newer ones. Given the DirectX programmed into the code of course.

 

listen please. im past it now tbh, its not the first time i had the rug i made ripped from under me to leave me on the dusty floor boards. the perks of amateur artistry !

 

You're not the only one man. I have yet to see my name in the credits of IL-2, BOB II, and FSX.

 

if ive been angry or irational this is why and thats none of your business really.

 

If you're angry about the GeForce testers.....well, I don't know what to say. But if it's none of my (our the readers) business, you should haven taken your frustration through the PM system. I'm sure Rock would gladly changed his post or have it deleted.

 

 

btw respect to you i agree about the template aspect, but thats not the point here.

 

It was an example, and my own thoughts. If a skin is created off a template with full details, I can always say nice this and that to the creater, but then I would be fibbing, and would feel bad for myself and to the creater.

 

But I still appreciate the fact it was created for the mass to enjoy, and that the creater is having fun.

[VH-Rock]

Ali, I apologise thoroughly for the mis-understanding, but surely you must be able to understand how I got confused when you said "Would you like to make these yourself?".

 

I did infact remake the specular textures myself, all 4 files. As I said to you, I have used photoshop for years and once the process was explained it was not that complicated. Sure, I've not gotten the best result possible, but what do you expect for a first attempt? Why did I get something wrong? I'm sorry for not being perfect on my first, but some people don't get everything right the first time. It's an easy fix that I will sort out this week when I get back home. You make a big deal about "1.5 HOURS!", well I'm sorry, but it just doesn't take that long to convert an image to grey scale and invert a channel... I know that I do not understand the process fully yet, but that is the whole point of learning.

 

A simple list of what a did:

 

• Duplicate Dif Group
  
• Press Ctrl+U
  
• Desaturate layer fully
  
• Click on channels tab
  
• Select green channel
  
• Invert green channel
  
• Turn on other channels
  
• Export
  

 

That should explain to you why the star and bars were still reflective. Simply because they were white on the grey scale.

 

In a newer version which I haven't released yet, after duplicating the Dif group, I put a black colour overlay ontop of the Stars N Bars and the kill markings to make them matt. Happy?

 

I am not going to descend to swearing on a public forum because of a simple misunderstanding, and the cries of back stabbing and betrayal are hurtful to say the least. As I said, it was a complete misunderstanding and I apologise for that. With that being a said, a simple PM, Email, Skype call or conversation in TS would have sufficed. You have multiple ways at your disposal with which you could of contacted me. However, immediately taking to a public forum to try and embarrass somebody and trash their name does not come across too well and "I thought you were more mature than that." Now, I am in no way trying to provoke you, but you posting how you did in hear has forced me to reply and defend myself so I will state categorically: The "Live Bait" Skin contains none of AliFish's work. That is not to say he does not deserve credit because he did explain to me how to the specular textures (Which I then made myself, following his instructions).

 

I have a good reputation in the IL-2 community as a skinner who has spent the last 2 years building a skinning site where credit was important. Do you really think I'd be so stupid as to blatantly steal off another author who helped me? I assumed, wrongly apparently, that with "Robo figuring out how to do it", and me doing the work on this skin, that I was ok to release it.

 

This will be my last post on the matter, I will not be dragged into an argument on a public forum as it is a futile engagement which offers no resolution. I hope you can understand that this was a simple misunderstanding and that I did credit you multiple times and so I, in no way, tried to steal your glory.

 

Rob.

Edited May 21, 2012 by VH-Rock

[EtherealN]

And let's please have that be the final word in that matter. This is not the place.