Ракеты в DCS

[F-2]

Does anything in dcs carry r77-1 in real life? I’m curious how different the missile performs.

[FlankerFan35]

11 hours ago, Chizh said:

We are not chasing the weapon balance that do not exist in the real world. And the game balance can be done by the server owners, who are free to ban or limit the number of any weapons.

 R-73 variants like L and M are real and exist in the 90s, what about them. I get FC3 is simplified so we'll never get incredibly important features like fighter-to-fighter DL but upgrades to R-73 is possible and real.

[Chizh]

9 hours ago, Skyhammer said:

wow that was a nice favor ...20 years ago..what was done since then? .... to be fair the R-77 in its current state is politely said garbage and can barely fly 50 km if shot from 30k ft,  above 1.0 Mach

Here I see empty words. If you have reasoned claims, post them here. If not, then there is no need to write anything.

[Chizh]

3 minutes ago, FlankerFan35 said:

 R-73 variants like L and M are real and exist in the 90s, what about them. I get FC3 is simplified so we'll never get incredibly important features like fighter-to-fighter DL but upgrades to R-73 is possible and real.

Variant L is original missile with LASER proximity fuse. Because the radio fuse had unsatisfactory immunity from chaff.

Variant M - I dont know what is it.

In DCS we have R-73 RMD as it is in real life.

[Ronin_Gaijin]

13 hours ago, Chizh said:

We have no debts to red side. Moreover, 20 years ago we did a favor for the red side by introducing the R-77 missile, which was not in service of Russian Air Force till 2015.

Officially adopted February 1994

Edited July 22, 2024 by Ronin_Gaijin

[Chizh]

7 minutes ago, Ronin_Gaijin said:

Officially adopted February 1994

 

This paper message means little. The adoption of RVV-AE missile need for promoting an export contracts, because selling a missile that is not in service with the developer’s country seemed strange.
However, the missile never appeared in service with the Russian Air Force.

[Ronin_Gaijin]

4 minutes ago, Chizh said:

This paper message means little. The adoption of RVV-AE missile need for promoting an export contracts, because selling a missile that is not in service with the developer’s country seemed strange.
However, the missile never appeared in service with the Russian Air Force.

The above message means little.
Any proof to that?

[Chizh]

2 hours ago, Ronin_Gaijin said:

The above message means little.
Any proof to that?

You can try to find the RVV-AE missile on Russian aircraft in combat units. But it won't.

[FlankerFan35]

25 minutes ago, Chizh said:

You can try to find the RVV-AE missile on Russian aircraft in combat units. But it won't.

He's not saying that.

You said you did Redfor a favor by adding the R-77 (RVV-AE) 20 years ago when it was only introduced in Russia in 2015, that is untrue and false information. While the R-77 was ready in the 90s, it was deemed inadequate for Russian forces who chose to wait until the improved 77-1 (RVV-SD) was ready around 2015. Despite this, the 29 and 27 export models were made compatible on request, and it was sold abroad on MiG-29 and Su-27/30 variants from the 90s onward to nations like China, India and more.

[Chizh]

3 minutes ago, FlankerFan35 said:

He's not saying that.

You said you did Redfor a favor by adding the R-77 (RVV-AE) 20 years ago when it was only introduced in Russia in 2015, that is untrue and false information. While the R-77 was ready in the 90s, it was deemed inadequate for Russian forces who chose to wait until the improved 77-1 (RVV-SD) was ready around 2015. Despite this, the 29 and 27 export models were made compatible on request, and it was sold abroad on MiG-29 and Su-27/30 variants from the 90s onward to nations like China, India and more.

That's exactly what I said. The RVV-AE was exported, but it was never used by the Russian Air Force.

[FlankerFan35]

3 minutes ago, Chizh said:

That's exactly what I said. The RVV-AE was exported, but it was never used by the Russian Air Force.

R-77 (RVV-AE) and R-77-1 (RVV-SD) are different missiles which is where confusion arises from your statement.

[Chizh]

1 minute ago, FlankerFan35 said:

R-77 (RVV-AE) and R-77-1 (RVV-SD) are different missiles which is where confusion arises from your statement.

I know it.
RVV-AE and RVV-SD are different missiles.

[FlankerFan35]

Just now, Chizh said:

I know it.
RVV-AE and RVV-SD are different missiles.

What I am saying is when it is said "We gave R-77 when it was not inducted in Russian forces until 2015" can cause confusion but because it is not correct technical term. It is cleared up now.

[Chizh]

48 minutes ago, FlankerFan35 said:

What I am saying is when it is said "We gave R-77 when it was not inducted in Russian forces until 2015" can cause confusion but because it is not correct technical term. It is cleared up now.

This is the correct technical term, because the RVV-AE is the export version of the R-77.
In 2015 was unveiled new modernized R-77-1 (RVV-SD)

So R-77 is not R-77-1.

[FlankerFan35]

14 minutes ago, Chizh said:

This is the correct technical term, because the RVV-AE is the export version of the R-77.
In 2015 was unveiled new modernized R-77-1 (RVV-SD)

So R-77 is not R-77-1.

It was imprecise language which is why Ronin_Gaijin and Okopanja were confused. 

Here is your quote "We have no debts to red side. Moreover, 20 years ago we did a favor for the red side by introducing the R-77 missile, which was not in service of Russian Air Force till 2015."

It is confusing/imprecise since Russia never took on the R-77, only the R-77-1. 

Sorry if this is going on and seeming petty, maybe we move on.
 

Edited July 22, 2024 by FlankerFan35

[Chizh]

57 minutes ago, FlankerFan35 said:

It was imprecise language which is why Ronin_Gaijin and Okopanja were confused. 

Here is your quote "We have no debts to red side. Moreover, 20 years ago we did a favor for the red side by introducing the R-77 missile, which was not in service of Russian Air Force till 2015."

It is confusing/imprecise since Russia never took on the R-77, only the R-77-1. 

Sorry if this is going on and seeming petty, maybe we move on.
 

 

I wrote absolutely exactly. We gave the red side R-77 missiles, which were never used by the Russian Air Force.
Please note that I wrote R-77, not R-77-1.

[Apok]

Sorry to interupt this turn based internet combat but are radio proxy fuses affected by chaff in DCS?

[Chizh]

15 minutes ago, Apok said:

Sorry to interupt this turn based internet combat but are radio proxy fuses affected by chaff in DCS?

Not affected at present time but wrote down into wishlist.

[tripod3]

Не представляется возможным сделать модификацию с «баллистической» ракетой земля-земля. То что работало раньше, после позапрошлой обновы не попадает в цель, а скад зашифрован. Как в таком случае сделать?

[Chizh]

3 minutes ago, tripod3 said:

Не представляется возможным сделать модификацию с «баллистической» ракетой земля-земля. То что работало раньше, после позапрошлой обновы не попадает в цель, а скад зашифрован. Как в таком случае сделать?

Ждать пока мы сами сделаем.

[tripod3]

1 hour ago, Chizh said:

Ждать пока мы сами сделаем.

Разве такое оружие в планах, и есть ли понимание на когда?

[Chizh]

8 hours ago, tripod3 said:

Разве такое оружие в планах, и есть ли понимание на когда?

Да, ОТР Искандер, Точка, Lans, GMLRS, ATACMS есть в виш-листе.

Когда руки дойдут - сделаем.

[Willykurtz]

31 minutes ago, Chizh said:

Да, ОТР Искандер, Точка, Lans, GMLRS, ATACMS есть в виш-листе.

Когда руки дойдут - сделаем.

Уже дошли руки у мододелов. Как минимум до GMLRS и ATACMS. Им бы просто перестать бороться с обновлениями и чуть-чуть доработать.

[Chizh]

40 minutes ago, Willykurtz said:

Уже дошли руки у мододелов. Как минимум до GMLRS и ATACMS. Им бы просто перестать бороться с обновлениями и чуть-чуть доработать.

Поскольку оружие весьма чувствительно влияет на геймплей, мы не поддерживаем моддерство в этом направлении.

[stonewall197922]

1 час назад, Willykurtz сказал:

Уже дошли руки у мододелов. Как минимум до GMLRS и ATACMS. Им бы просто перестать бороться с обновлениями и чуть-чуть доработать.

Проблема в том, что эти моды на оружие сделаны по принципу "я художник, я так вижу." А не на основе реальных данных или телеметрии реальных изделий. И написаны они в основном "на коленке", а не и с использованием штатного инструментария. Поэтому ни о какой стабильности говорить не приходится. И это всё ещё без учёта ошибок допущенных авторами модификаций. И многие модификации часто становятся брошенными после потери интереса автора к разработке и не всегда разработка полностью завершена. Тут логика простая либо мы принимаем условия разработчика либо...

Edited July 23, 2024 by stonewall197922