Will FC3 models get updated RWR?

[ralfidude]

Not sure what the current situation is with the RWR but the F-15 for example still misses all Missile shots from ground units coming up at it, misses a lot if not all SAMs, I believe perhaps i've heard only one warning ever, at point blank range, but the massive SA-10 sites within 10 miles will never show up at all.

 

 

Will this get implemented at any point or will remain the way it is with only air to air missile warnings?

[104th_Crunch]

Are you taking in to account the fact that the RWR does not have 360 degrees of detection?

[WarthogSmurf]

RWR doesnt cover like miles ... so quite possible an SA-10 launch it will never catch it. Tho you should get the radar warnings given a nice indication to look out the window and scan for smoke trails

[104th_Crunch]

Here is a picture I made once. It is just a visualization and angles are not 100% accruate in the picture. Make sure what you are decribing is not affected by this

 

[ralfidude]

it's not

 

 

I was getting pinged by the RWR that the radar was locked on me, but as far as the missile warning, it never came. Well within 10nm.

[GGTharos]

The problem is that the SA-10 produces no missile launch warning? May or may not be intended, will have a look.

[ralfidude]

yes I believe I was reading similar issues in FC2 but it never got fixed.

[falcon_120]

I think the SA-10 should give no launch warning,just as the Patriot.It has to do with the

the type of guidance Track-via-missile. The missile does not use the return signal from the target for guidance. The FCR tracks both the missile and the target to fly the missile into the target by radio control. This means that the FCR ground station can change frequencies and strength to spoof the target’s RWR.(I've googled the last part ;)).

So it seems correct.

[Dejjvid]

So the MWS does not look for plumes? Only checks if a radar is tracking/supporting?

[GGTharos]

I think the SA-10 should give no launch warning,just as the Patriot.It has to do with the

the type of guidance Track-via-missile. The missile does not use the return signal from the target for guidance.

 

Yes, it does.

 

The FCR tracks both the missile and the target to fly the missile into the target by radio control. This means that the FCR ground station can change frequencies and strength to spoof the target’s RWR.(I've googled the last part ;)).

So it seems correct.

 

That isn't exactly how it works, but more or less. Current RWRs can pick those up, the question is what is it that ED wants to model?

[GGTharos]

The only playable aircraft with MLWS in-game is the A-10C.

 

So the MWS does not look for plumes? Only checks if a radar is tracking/supporting?

[falcon_120]

So the MWS does not look for plumes? Only checks if a radar is tracking/supporting?

 

I was refering to the RWS, of course a MWS will detect a missile not matter what,(unless the rocket of the

missile is already worn out).

[falcon_120]

Yes, it does.

 

That isn't exactly how it works, but more or less. Current RWRs can pick those up, the question is what is it that ED wants to model?

 

Ok, but I've read somewhere that during gulf war in 1991 a british tornado was shot down by a patriot(by mistake I hope...) and the tornado did no sign of avoiding it ,I suppose because of no RWR sign.But

I read it quite a long ago,maybe I don't remember it correctly.

[GGTharos]

Yes, this is possible. An F-18 was also shot down like this; he saw the missiles launch (I don't recall if anything was said about RWR) and he tried to maneuver but was hit and killed anyway.

 

What I am trying to say, according to things we know, both ways of modeling it can be correct. In fact it would be even more correct for example, to model an A-10C picking up the lock, but say a MiG-21, not.

 

Ok, but I've read somewhere that during gulf war in 1991 a british tornado was shot down by a patriot(by mistake I hope...) and the tornado did no sign of avoiding it ,I suppose because of no RWR sign.But I read it quite a long ago,maybe I don't remember it correctly.

[ralfidude]

Ok, so GGTharos, from what you've told me, the RWR is correct (which I have observed), however the MWS is not.

 

 

That's what I really was referring to. Someone told me today that only the person hosting gets the MWS launches, but nobody as a client will? But from what you just said it just looks like the MWS does not work for the F15 from Ground to Air targets.

[GGTharos]

That would be a bug; unless you are too far for the MLWS to pick up the launch. I don't know what limits the MLWS is supposed to have in-game.

[ralfidude]

Me neither, but i have observed this with some SAM units at literally point blank range.

[GGTharos]

If this is with the FC3 aircraft, there is no MLWS.