Maachine Posted January 11, 2013 Posted January 11, 2013 for some reason i cant get ILS to display on the ADI. i've been flying the guns and rockets training mission and then landing afterwards at batumi. i turn the weapon systems off. switch to nav mode on the hud. then i select divert on the CDU, select the aiport, set radio and ILS channels, turn ILS on, call inbound, set HSI, then i hit the ILS switch on the NMSP. i see the red mark showing i'm not recieving a signal, but as i get closer to the airport to come in for the landing.....nothing, no red marks, no ILS bars. nothing. what am i missing? i've flown the landing training mission again to see if i'm missing something and i'm not. a bug maybe?
Headspace Posted January 11, 2013 Posted January 11, 2013 Are the ILS bars unstowed? Is the switch to stow the bars (underneath the ADI) still set to "stow?" 1
Maachine Posted January 11, 2013 Author Posted January 11, 2013 not sure. didnt check that. its possible the mission could start default with the switch in stow mode i'll fly it right now and see
Maachine Posted January 11, 2013 Author Posted January 11, 2013 yep that must be it, it was set to stow. thanks headspace
WildBillKelsoe Posted January 11, 2013 Posted January 11, 2013 for some reason i cant get ILS to display on the ADI. i've been flying the guns and rockets training mission and then landing afterwards at batumi. i turn the weapon systems off. switch to nav mode on the hud. then i select divert on the CDU, select the aiport, set radio and ILS channels, turn ILS on, call inbound, set HSI, then i hit the ILS switch on the NMSP. i see the red mark showing i'm not recieving a signal, but as i get closer to the airport to come in for the landing.....nothing, no red marks, no ILS bars. nothing. what am i missing? i've flown the landing training mission again to see if i'm missing something and i'm not. a bug maybe? ensure you have the right ILS frequency. IIRC, Batumi had no ILS. Just a quick ref would be 126 degrees and you're good to go. AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
Maachine Posted January 11, 2013 Author Posted January 11, 2013 110.30 is batumi's ILS frequency. i had it all set up right. it was the stow switch. you got that 126 number from experience? or is there a location in the cockpit that gives you that?
Rongor Posted January 11, 2013 Posted January 11, 2013 You will find the 126° - in the F10 Map view - in the airfield diagrams and approach charts that came with your installation of DCS World in pdf files in a subdirectory of DCS World (sorry cant tell the path since I am not at home right now)
Wayc00lio Posted January 11, 2013 Posted January 11, 2013 Go to the divert page in the CDU, Waypoints page and it'll tell you everything you need to know about any airbase. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Asus ROG Rampage Extreme VI; i9 7900X (all 10 cores at 4.5GHz); 32 Gb Corsair Dominator DDR4; EVGA 1080Ti Hybrid; 1Tb Samsung 960 Evo M2; 2Tb Samsung 850 Pro secondary. Oculus Rift; TM Warthog; Saitek Combat Pros.
Sven2157 Posted January 11, 2013 Posted January 11, 2013 110.30 is batumi's ILS frequency. i had it all set up right. it was the stow switch. you got that 126 number from experience? or is there a location in the cockpit that gives you that? He is refereeing to the ILS markings( Fan-Tail ) on the Overhead Map. For a better understanding how how this ILS system within the simulator works, it is perhaps better to get an understanding of how the real world system functions. Wikipedia.org has a great section for the ILS System. However, this may be a bit technical for most people, and consequently, too confusing. I have found a link that breaks it down a bit better, and has images that accompany definitions/explanations: Instrument Landing System - ILS Hope those help! ;-) Regards, =170= Sven ☠ 2157 Windows 10 64 bit | Intel 7th Gen. i7-7700K | NZXT Kraken 41 Liquid CPU Cooler | MSI Z270 M3 Gaming LGA 1151 | Cooler Master V1000 80+ Gold PSU | EVGA GTX 1070 | EVGA GTX 1060 (Dedicated Physx) | 32GB G.Skill TridentZ RGB PC4-19200 | 128GB Toshiba OCZ RD400 SSD NVMe M.2 (System Disk) | 2TB RAID 10 (4 x Seagate ST1000DX002 FireCuda SSHD) (Files Disk) | 64GB Intel Cache Disk (1280GB OCZ Agility 3 SSD RAID 0) | 48GB Page Disk (1280GB OCZ Agility 3 SSD RAID 0) | NZXT H440 Razer Edition Case | 1 x ViewSonic VG2439m-LED 24" [MAIN] (GTX 1070) | 2 x ViewSonic VG2436wm-LED 24" [LEFT/RIGHT] (GTX 1060)
The LT Posted January 11, 2013 Posted January 11, 2013 Batumi Intl. Airport in-game has a PAPI and ILS at 110.30 Mhz and also TACAN at 16X for inbound flights. Just sayin', did numerous landings there. The stow/able switch under the HSI also got me, but I managed to figure it out before landing. Did you know you can also lower the volume of the ILS beacon on the ILS panel or mute in completely on the panel to the right with the red switches, I don't remember the name for it offhand... My controls & seat Main controls: , BRD-N v4 Flightstick (Kreml C5 controller), TM Warthog Throttle (Kreml F3 controller), BRD-F2 Restyling Bf-109 Pedals w. damper, TrackIR5, Gametrix KW-908 (integrated into RAV4 seat) Stick grips: Thrustmaster Warthog Thrustmaster Cougar (x2) Thrustmaster F-16 FLCS BRD KG13 Standby controls: BRD-M2 Mi-8 Pedals (Ruddermaster controller) BRD-N v3 Flightstick w. exch. grip upgrade (Kreml C5 controller) Thrustmaster Cougar Throttle Pilot seat
The LT Posted January 11, 2013 Posted January 11, 2013 Go to the divert page in the CDU, Waypoints page and it'll tell you everything you need to know about any airbase. Good advice. To elaborate a bit more, a fast way to get there is to hit FUNC and number 2 on the upfront controller (UFC). My controls & seat Main controls: , BRD-N v4 Flightstick (Kreml C5 controller), TM Warthog Throttle (Kreml F3 controller), BRD-F2 Restyling Bf-109 Pedals w. damper, TrackIR5, Gametrix KW-908 (integrated into RAV4 seat) Stick grips: Thrustmaster Warthog Thrustmaster Cougar (x2) Thrustmaster F-16 FLCS BRD KG13 Standby controls: BRD-M2 Mi-8 Pedals (Ruddermaster controller) BRD-N v3 Flightstick w. exch. grip upgrade (Kreml C5 controller) Thrustmaster Cougar Throttle Pilot seat
Maachine Posted January 11, 2013 Author Posted January 11, 2013 i'll have to look at that waypoints page like you mentioned and see if i can find those heading numbers
Sven2157 Posted January 11, 2013 Posted January 11, 2013 i'll have to look at that waypoints page like you mentioned and see if i can find those heading numbers Aerodrome Data: Page 659 in the DCS A-10C_Flight Manual It has all the airports' runway info, ILS/TACAN/ATC freq's. The only thing it is missing is magnetic variation and true runway heading( used to set the HSI Course to true center line of runway ). Regards, =170= Sven ☠ 2157 Windows 10 64 bit | Intel 7th Gen. i7-7700K | NZXT Kraken 41 Liquid CPU Cooler | MSI Z270 M3 Gaming LGA 1151 | Cooler Master V1000 80+ Gold PSU | EVGA GTX 1070 | EVGA GTX 1060 (Dedicated Physx) | 32GB G.Skill TridentZ RGB PC4-19200 | 128GB Toshiba OCZ RD400 SSD NVMe M.2 (System Disk) | 2TB RAID 10 (4 x Seagate ST1000DX002 FireCuda SSHD) (Files Disk) | 64GB Intel Cache Disk (1280GB OCZ Agility 3 SSD RAID 0) | 48GB Page Disk (1280GB OCZ Agility 3 SSD RAID 0) | NZXT H440 Razer Edition Case | 1 x ViewSonic VG2439m-LED 24" [MAIN] (GTX 1070) | 2 x ViewSonic VG2436wm-LED 24" [LEFT/RIGHT] (GTX 1060)
Rongor Posted January 11, 2013 Posted January 11, 2013 (edited) Aerodrome Data: Page 659 in the DCS A-10C_Flight Manual It has all the airports' runway info, ILS/TACAN/ATC freq's. The only thing it is missing is magnetic variation and true runway heading( used to set the HSI Course to true center line of runway ). So it is missing exactly what he is looking for :P I think Wayc00lio/TheLT's hint is the best, looking it up in the CDU airfields database. Edited January 11, 2013 by Rongor
Maachine Posted January 11, 2013 Author Posted January 11, 2013 (edited) i'm going to have to make up a little note book of all the info i'm accumulating. i have papers all over my desk with notes scribbled all over them ya, i'm wanting to be able to find the information in the cockpit. so i wont have to shuffle through pages of paper Edited January 11, 2013 by Maachine
Rongor Posted January 11, 2013 Posted January 11, 2013 :thumbup: yeah, I have always my netbook adjacent with the manual opened ;)
Sven2157 Posted January 11, 2013 Posted January 11, 2013 You will find the 126° - in the F10 Map view - in the airfield diagrams and approach charts that came with your installation of DCS World in pdf files in a subdirectory of DCS World (sorry cant tell the path since I am not at home right now) I misread this post. He is saying where you can find TRUE Runway Heading. Runways are named for their general direction. However, when you have airports such as Atlanta's Hartsfield( KATL ). You will find that there are several names being used. Ex: Rwy 09R/27L, 09L/27R, 08R/26L, 08L/26R and 10/28. If you view the airport diagram for KATL, you will notice that ALL 5 runways are exactly parallel; they all run 094.4°/274.4°. For ILS to be accurate, you need to set your course to the true runway heading, in this case for Batumi it is 126°, even though the runway is designated as 130. What rongor is saying is if you hit F10 you can click on/hover over the ILS Fan-Tail to get the TRUE heading.... I think! I will have to try this out myself. Regards, =170= Sven ☠ 2157 Windows 10 64 bit | Intel 7th Gen. i7-7700K | NZXT Kraken 41 Liquid CPU Cooler | MSI Z270 M3 Gaming LGA 1151 | Cooler Master V1000 80+ Gold PSU | EVGA GTX 1070 | EVGA GTX 1060 (Dedicated Physx) | 32GB G.Skill TridentZ RGB PC4-19200 | 128GB Toshiba OCZ RD400 SSD NVMe M.2 (System Disk) | 2TB RAID 10 (4 x Seagate ST1000DX002 FireCuda SSHD) (Files Disk) | 64GB Intel Cache Disk (1280GB OCZ Agility 3 SSD RAID 0) | 48GB Page Disk (1280GB OCZ Agility 3 SSD RAID 0) | NZXT H440 Razer Edition Case | 1 x ViewSonic VG2439m-LED 24" [MAIN] (GTX 1070) | 2 x ViewSonic VG2436wm-LED 24" [LEFT/RIGHT] (GTX 1060)
Maachine Posted January 11, 2013 Author Posted January 11, 2013 For ILS to be accurate, you need to set your course to the true runway heading, in this case for Batumi it is 126°, even though the runway is designated as 130. What rongor is saying is if you hit F10 you can click on/hover over the ILS Fan-Tail to get the TRUE heading.... I think! I will have to try this out myself. ya i'll have to look at it too. later though. see, we are all learning stuff. thanks guys for all the input and info.
Sven2157 Posted January 11, 2013 Posted January 11, 2013 (edited) I just checked. If you go into the ME you will see the true headings at the end of the ILS Fan-Tail. In the simulator you will not. The CDU also has the exact same information as the manual. However, there are only 21 airports total, and of them, there are only 10 of them with ILS. So a couple minutes in the ME and you could create a cheat sheet with the true heading info. *** EDIT *** The CDU does show some info that could be confusing. So... It ONLY shows the nearest 4 airports with the Name on the first line, and the current bearing/distance and TTG on the second line. Note that the bearing is relative to your position; it is not the runway heading. Edited January 11, 2013 by Sven2157 Regards, =170= Sven ☠ 2157 Windows 10 64 bit | Intel 7th Gen. i7-7700K | NZXT Kraken 41 Liquid CPU Cooler | MSI Z270 M3 Gaming LGA 1151 | Cooler Master V1000 80+ Gold PSU | EVGA GTX 1070 | EVGA GTX 1060 (Dedicated Physx) | 32GB G.Skill TridentZ RGB PC4-19200 | 128GB Toshiba OCZ RD400 SSD NVMe M.2 (System Disk) | 2TB RAID 10 (4 x Seagate ST1000DX002 FireCuda SSHD) (Files Disk) | 64GB Intel Cache Disk (1280GB OCZ Agility 3 SSD RAID 0) | 48GB Page Disk (1280GB OCZ Agility 3 SSD RAID 0) | NZXT H440 Razer Edition Case | 1 x ViewSonic VG2439m-LED 24" [MAIN] (GTX 1070) | 2 x ViewSonic VG2436wm-LED 24" [LEFT/RIGHT] (GTX 1060)
Rongor Posted January 11, 2013 Posted January 11, 2013 (edited) I misread this post. He is saying where you can find TRUE Runway Heading. Runways are named for their general direction. However, when you have airports such as Atlanta's Hartsfield( KATL ). You will find that there are several names being used. Ex: Rwy 09R/27L, 09L/27R, 08R/26L, 08L/26R and 10/28. If you view the airport diagram for KATL, you will notice that ALL 5 runways are exactly parallel; they all run 094.4°/274.4°. For ILS to be accurate, you need to set your course to the true runway heading, in this case for Batumi it is 126°, even though the runway is designated as 130. What rongor is saying is if you hit F10 you can click on/hover over the ILS Fan-Tail to get the TRUE heading.... I think! I will have to try this out myself. Not completely true:) The ILS will work properly regardless what course you are setting on your HSI. ILS don't send out radials so the OBS-set heading doesn't matter at all. If you are on correct glideslope and localizer, the needles will be centered forming a cross in the middle of the HSI. Of course it will look much better and also give a convenient orientation if you turn the whole needle alignment with the localizer's direction at the very top. This makes sense to help you in keeping awareness but for the functionality of the needles it is not necessary (speaking only of operating ILS!) Of course you need the magnetic heading for the runway centerline. Not only is the runway named for nearest magnetic direction. Also your HSI is coupled to magnetic sensing and will therefor show magnetic values. So the magnetic heading is needed for approach. If only the true heading is published, you will need the local variation to get the magnetic heading for approach. As long as not stated otherwise you can expext ALL headings published in magnetic! (also in the mission editor...) Edited January 11, 2013 by Rongor
Sven2157 Posted January 11, 2013 Posted January 11, 2013 Not completely true:) The ILS will work properly regardless what course you are setting on your HSI. ILS don't send out radials so the OBS-set heading doesn't matter at all. If you are on correct glideslope and localizer, the needles will be centered forming a cross in the middle of the HSI. Of course it will look much better and also give a convenient orientation if you turn the whole needle alignment with the localizer's direction at the very top. This makes sense to help you in keeping awareness but for the functionality of the needles it is not necessary (speaking only of operating ILS!) Of course you need the magnetic heading for the runway centerline. Not only is the runway named for nearest magnetic direction. Also your HSI is coupled to magnetic sensing and will therefor show magnetic values. So the magnetic heading is needed for approach. If only the true heading is published, you will need the local variation to get the magnetic heading for approach. As long as not stated otherwise you can expext ALL headings published in magnetic! Yes I worded that incorrectly, but you bring up a good point. Because of this functionality, you could just fly until your CDI is centered. Then turn the course knob until it is at the 12 o'clock position. The course number on the HSI will then tell you the true runway heading. Regards, =170= Sven ☠ 2157 Windows 10 64 bit | Intel 7th Gen. i7-7700K | NZXT Kraken 41 Liquid CPU Cooler | MSI Z270 M3 Gaming LGA 1151 | Cooler Master V1000 80+ Gold PSU | EVGA GTX 1070 | EVGA GTX 1060 (Dedicated Physx) | 32GB G.Skill TridentZ RGB PC4-19200 | 128GB Toshiba OCZ RD400 SSD NVMe M.2 (System Disk) | 2TB RAID 10 (4 x Seagate ST1000DX002 FireCuda SSHD) (Files Disk) | 64GB Intel Cache Disk (1280GB OCZ Agility 3 SSD RAID 0) | 48GB Page Disk (1280GB OCZ Agility 3 SSD RAID 0) | NZXT H440 Razer Edition Case | 1 x ViewSonic VG2439m-LED 24" [MAIN] (GTX 1070) | 2 x ViewSonic VG2436wm-LED 24" [LEFT/RIGHT] (GTX 1060)
Rongor Posted January 11, 2013 Posted January 11, 2013 Because of this functionality, you could just fly until your CDI is centered. Then turn the course knob until it is at the 12 o'clock position. The course number on the HSI will then tell you the true runway heading.This would work only if you have visual contact to the airfield. Also you have to act really quick, intercept the CDI with an estimated localizer heading only and keep the CDI centered until you turned the nose directly looking towards the runway, then turning the knob dial to a rather inaccurate upwards position while any crosswind component will already try drift you away from localizer.:) Please look inside your DCS folder. In the near of the manuals subfolder there is a directory named "charts" I think. All the approch charts are installed there in pdf format.
Maachine Posted January 12, 2013 Author Posted January 12, 2013 Yes I worded that incorrectly, but you bring up a good point. Because of this functionality, you could just fly until your CDI is centered. Then turn the course knob until it is at the 12 o'clock position. The course number on the HSI will then tell you the true runway heading. i had this same thought myself. just didnt do it because i was too busy trying not to crash a landing plane
Maachine Posted January 12, 2013 Author Posted January 12, 2013 hey sven, so i know the CDU doesnt show the heading after you select an airport, but someone mentioned divert then a waypoints page. did you see that at all?
Rongor Posted January 12, 2013 Posted January 12, 2013 Maachine, you could also use the Batumi TACAN on channel 16X. The bearing pointer 1 in your HSI will point to the airfield and you get the remaining distance displayed. If you fly along the coast southwards, lets say 10 miles north of Batumi, you set the course knob to 126° as stated in the approach charts in your DCS World folder on your hard drive. Enter the ILS frequency 110.30 MHz. Deploy the needles for the ADI (optional). Select ILS on the NMSP. The CDI needle will soon wait full scale right deflection. The bearing pointer 1 will slowly move counterclockwise, decreasing card degree value, narrowing the 126°. When it turns below 130°, initiate a gentle left turn to hopefully intercept directly onto the localizer, having the CDI needle leave the right side. No capture the localizer when CDI is centered and keep it centered while heading for a ground track towards 126°. Localizer established!
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