New missile mod for FC 2.0

[SESova]

As you see,nothing spectacular.Man just do one more step in application mathematics and physics,the last step,wich ED did not,or didnt wanted to make to complite the job.

Instead of to see what the mod is all abouth,people start to post how US reach country is and thair missiles must be better...god save us.

 

Do one more step guys,and you will have right thing.Right thing brigs real money.Everybody wins,am I right?

[GGTharos]

Actually no, this is incorrect result. I don't know where you get the idea that AMRAAM is so slow because ... it isn't. And 'F-15's fall to the Su-27S like pears'? Very wrong result. The F-15C is the king of BVR. It's ok, you don't have to believe it :)

[Ragnarok]

Actually no, this is incorrect result. I don't know where you get the idea that AMRAAM is so slow because ... it isn't. And 'F-15's fall to the Su-27S like pears'? Very wrong result. The F-15C is the king of BVR. It's ok, you don't have to believe it :)

 

Total speed is less than R27ER. Max speed also. The starting acceleration is better in AMRAAM. what is the problem? This time difference is a compromise, because the AMRAAM hyper manoeuvrable at high altitudes and low speeds, with their tiny fins. This is what is abnormal about this missile. If you reference value " The F-15C is the king of BVR", then you will soon have to make a F-22. The Pentagon was smart and did not underestimate Russia's outdated technology. You can not invest hundreds of billions of dollars in F22, but you can push your "king" for peanuts.

Do not ask me for expert knowledge, because I and all people in ED, we're still in the learning process. My mod is a compromise of your bad missiles.

[squinkys]

My mod is a compromise of your bad missiles.

 

How do you people not understand that the missiles in FC3 are a work in progress? FFS, do you not read any of the responses? I have yet to see one shred of evidence that your FC2 missiles are anything more than a "balancing" measure due to your perceived imbalance in the sim. Again, THIS IS NOT HAWX. We don't want it to be HAWX. Let's see some proof. Let's see your sources. Until you provide them, I believe that ED has better information than you. I mean you're not even willing to provide the tracks for whatever it is that you're complaining about. Come on fellas.

[Ragnarok]

I believe that ED has better information than you.

 

I also believe the same. But they is also biased.

[ralfidude]

[Boberro]

If you reference value " The F-15C is the king of BVR", then you will soon have to make a F-22. The Pentagon was smart and did not underestimate Russia's outdated technology. You can not invest hundreds of billions of dollars in F22, but you can push your "king" for peanuts.

Do not ask me for expert knowledge, because I and all people in ED, we're still in the learning process. My mod is a compromise of your bad missiles.

It is nothing fancy that country is ahead of its current good planes. US thinks now about 6 th generation plane. Does it mean they're scared? They have now huge advantage over the others.

Presently more dangerous is China with nice, fast progress than Russia with upgrades taking long years and often small amount.

 

I also believe the same. But they is also biased.

Remember this opinion mostly belongs to you (not personally but nationally).:)

I don't see how ED would be biased for US missiles.

Edited February 13, 2013 by Boberro

[SESova]

With Ragnaroks mod,F 15 is still the best in BVR,but with the mod,you need to use it at right way,need to think abouth it.To make a kill,no room for errors.Only difference.I dont understand why is soo complicated .

[SESova]

How do you people not understand that the missiles in FC3 are a work in progress? FFS, do you not read any of the responses? I have yet to see one shred of evidence that your FC2 missiles are anything more than a "balancing" measure due to your perceived imbalance in the sim. Again, THIS IS NOT HAWX. We don't want it to be HAWX. Let's see some proof. Let's see your sources. Until you provide them, I believe that ED has better information than you. I mean you're not even willing to provide the tracks for whatever it is that you're complaining about. Come on fellas.

 

We think that things are not going in good direction,and we are thrying to point on that.Simply,expressing our opinion in that,dont have to be accepted.Lock on is at one part Hawx,and that part we dont like it.

[SESova]

It is nothing fancy that country is ahead of its current good planes. US thinks now about 6 th generation plane. Does it mean they're scared? They have now huge advantage over the others.

Presently more dangerous is China with nice, fast progress than Russia with upgrades taking long years and often small amount.

 

 

Remember this opinion mostly belongs to you (not personally but nationally).:)

I don't see how ED would be biased for US missiles.

 

Todays situation in Russian and US airforce has nothing with Lock on.In Lock on we dont have last version of the Su 27,like Su 27 SM,SU 35,Su 37 or MiG 29SMT...Has nothing to do with each other.

The best planes are the one wich are flown by pilots who dont make mistakes.Is it range of its missiles 100 or 103 kilometers,did not so important.

 

And abouth nationallities,as American you shud avoid this subject.

 

Lets continue to talk abouth value for missiles and calculations.

Edited February 13, 2013 by =SE=Sova

[Pilotasso]

With Ragnaroks mod,F 15 is still the best in BVR,but with the mod,you need to use it at right way,need to think abouth it.To make a kill,no room for errors.Only difference.I dont understand why is soo complicated .

 

Im curious: Did you ever learned to fly the F-15? when was it the last time you had to guide an AMRAAM from long range? (without the MOD).

[Pilotasso]

Total speed is less than R27ER. Max speed also. The starting acceleration is better in AMRAAM. what is the problem? This time difference is a compromise, because the AMRAAM hyper manoeuvrable at high altitudes and low speeds, with their tiny fins. This is what is abnormal about this missile. If you reference value " The F-15C is the king of BVR", then you will soon have to make a F-22. The Pentagon was smart and did not underestimate Russia's outdated technology. You can not invest hundreds of billions of dollars in F22, but you can push your "king" for peanuts.

Do not ask me for expert knowledge, because I and all people in ED, we're still in the learning process. My mod is a compromise of your bad missiles.

 

I suggest migrating to FC3 like the rest of us and stop worrying about missiles supermanuevers with small fins (FC3=Missile AFM with propper aerodynamic authority, remember?), if your tinkering in FC2 to make missiles slower your not fixing anything, your screwing it some more.

Edited February 13, 2013 by Pilotasso

[Teknetinium]

Pilotasso and the rest of F-15 fan boys should not be offensive since you are not showing any graphs you neither. Its not like he is trying to make F-15 worse then Su-27 in BVR. He is giving a bigger challenge for F-15 pilots. Even though I don't like this development I find it natural if one side will not care if its lunched upon, witch is the case in FC3beta.

 

I Have one idea about how ED could solve this A2A missiles disagreement in future, Ill will make new thread where we can open a dialog about it.

Edited February 13, 2013 by Teknetinium

[Pilotasso]

where in the earth is the offense? :huh:

 

I made an objective question to SOVA. Whats your game hmmm?

 

I also make a suggestion: since long range madogs bugs are gone since lates FC2 patch I suggest you to forget about your love for Su-27 for a while and see how it is from this side of the fence. Its alot more than it meets the eye you have no idea mate.

Edited February 13, 2013 by Pilotasso

[GGTharos]

Total speed is less than R27ER. Max speed also. The starting acceleration is better in AMRAAM. what is the problem? This time difference is a compromise, because the AMRAAM hyper manoeuvrable at high altitudes and low speeds, with their tiny fins.

 

So is every other missile in-game. The AMRAAM is pretty maneuverable RL - more so than the R-27.

 

Do not ask me for expert knowledge, because I and all people in ED, we're still in the learning process. My mod is a compromise of your bad missiles.

 

The missiles were as well represented as the game lets them be.

[squinkys]

I also believe the same. But they is also biased.

 

So you believe that they have better information than you do...and yet you think that a Moscow-based software company is unfairly biased toward western hardware? :wallbash:

 

Still waiting to see your data...let's see some proof of this "bias."

[Vecko]

The F-15C is the king of BVR. It's ok, you don't have to believe it :)

I'd like to think for my self as a fanboy but you are the king of the genre GG. You know, little objectivity here and there won't kill you...Afterall,as one of the main ED testers you shold, if nothing else, roleplay your objectivity, sometimes...

Edited February 13, 2013 by Vecko

[GGTharos]

I'd like to thing for my self as a fanboy but you are the king of the genre GG.

 

Not even close, but I guess you haven't been watching the real fanboys. If you want to say I'm an F-15 fan and thus I have a bias, that's cool.

 

You know, little objectivity here and there won't kill you...Afterall,as one of the main ED testers you shold, if nothing else, roleplay your objectivity, sometimes... :noexpression:

I'm far more objective than you know, or will be able to find out.

 

See, unlike people who make mods based on encyclopedias and their 'gut feeling' that something should work in a certain way, I've spend far too many unpaid hours doing research to find documents that ED can use (they do their own research as well) that aren't just your average wiki page; I've spent hours poring over FOIA'd docs that you'll never even see anywhere just for little pieces for information at times - and that's just the stuff I can actually present to ED, never mind sources that don't want to be named.

 

So, I'd appreciate if you take accusation of fanboyism elsewhere.

[kobac]

I haven't FC3 yet, but follow posts on this forum. I can only say if the F-15 and its missiles are modeled to be very superior with regard to MiG-29, Su-27, then we will probably all just fly the F-15. And where's the challenge then?

[GGTharos]

If you want a fair fight, you give everyone the same plane, same missiles, same terrain to fight in, etc.

 

If you want DAC, and you're a fan of a particular aircraft, then deal with the fact that it will be superior in some respects, and inferior in others (or, you might end up choosing something that's hopeless in A2A by comparison, like a Ka-50).

 

If you want 'fair DAC', air combat simulation is probably not what you are looking for.

 

And where's the challenge? That depends - in an F-15, you might be superior in BVR, but you'll be inferior at the merge vs. a flanker, at least in terms of traditional thinking.

 

But what happens if your opponent has a better skill than you in the area where your chosen plane is supposed to be superior? See the challenge?

[Pilotasso]

I haven't FC3 yet, but follow posts on this forum. I can only say if the F-15 and its missiles are modeled to be very superior with regard to MiG-29, Su-27, then we will probably all just fly the F-15. And where's the challenge then?

A large portion of people buying FC3 are from the CIS so no, that will never happen. :D

[SESova]

Not even close, but I guess you haven't been watching the real fanboys. If you want to say I'm an F-15 fan and thus I have a bias, that's cool.

 

I'm far more objective than you know, or will be able to find out.

 

See, unlike people who make mods based on encyclopedias and their 'gut feeling' that something should work in a certain way, I've spend far too many unpaid hours doing research to find documents that ED can use (they do their own research as well) that aren't just your average wiki page; I've spent hours poring over FOIA'd docs that you'll never even see anywhere just for little pieces for information at times - and that's just the stuff I can actually present to ED, never mind sources that don't want to be named.

 

So, I'd appreciate if you take accusation of fanboyism elsewhere.

 

I dont know wich datas and documents have you find during that hard work,but what ever data or document you publish and somebody take it as proof,you proclaim that document or data as wrong,or out of data...It seems all your documents are wrong.Looks like somebody make jokes with you,and afther hours and hours unpayed work give you bad egg.Encyclopedia was yust decoy and you are hooked on that.

You can find milion more documents,wont have eny chanse with Vecko on the server.

Edited February 13, 2013 by =SE=Sova

[GGTharos]

Sorry, who makes jokes with me? Have you seen any of the documents I have seen?

 

I really doubt it.

 

The fact that the FC2 encycpopedia is just a basic reference and not necessarily correct is acknowledged by the developers.

 

I dont know wich datas and documents have you find during that hard work,but what ever data or document you publish and somebody take it as proof,you proclaim that document or data as wrong,or out of data...It seems all your documents are wrong.Looks like somebody make jokes with you,and afther hours and hours unpayed work give you bad egg.Encyclopedia was yust decoy and you are hooked on that.

[SESova]

Sorry, who makes jokes with me? Have you seen any of the documents I have seen?

 

I really doubt it.

 

The fact that the FC2 encycpopedia is just a basic reference and not necessarily correct is acknowledged by the developers.

 

Abouth documents,dont be so shure.

Encyclopedia.If is wrong,why is there?Next time put Mickey mouse or Donald duck,wont be difference.

[squinkys]

I dont know wich datas and documents have you find during that hard work,but what ever data or document you publish and somebody take it as proof,you proclaim that document or data as wrong,or out of data...It seems all your documents are wrong.Looks like somebody make jokes with you,and afther hours and hours unpayed work give you bad egg.Encyclopedia was yust decoy and you are hooked on that.

You can find milion more documents,wont have eny chanse with Vecko on the server.

 

Come on SE, let's see your data. If you're gonna make outlandish claims, the burden of proof falls on you. Until then you're just trolling, which, while mildly entertaining, serves no purpose.