Rusky radar question

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Not true ... I've often had 4 kills in single flight ... thats with 8 AMRAAMs ... but your right, then I do have to run home to reload!

I rest my case!

 

Pozdrav,

[GGTharos]

Your statement might be right! However, most of the time I play on line, the first palce is either F-15 or MiG-29. Very seldom Su-27.

All right! let us just say F-15 is superior in lock On! And I do believe that is how it was in real life at the time Su-27S was introduced to service. My point is that Russians knew that the Su-27 on board sensors (radar in particular) are inferior to F-15. They also knew Su-27S can not carry ARH missiles. So that is where GCI (EWR) and AWACS get into a picture.

Absolute BS so far as LOMAC is concerned. LOMAC does not model the radar issues that the N001 had.

 

That is very good! I appreciate that!Su-27S was designed to use GCI(EWR) and or AWACS. So what if it is easy to shoot F-15 with the help of EWR/AWACS? F-15 pilots have supperior on board radar and ARH! Let them find use of it!

Again, utter BS. In LOMAC, the Su-27 and F-15 performance are the same, the only difference is the multi-target engagement.

F-15C's, ALSO fly with AWACS in reality, which is not well usable in LOMAC.

Start using tactics.

 

If this statement is correct, no F-15 would ever carry AMRAAM!

He's talking about LOMAC.

Stop confusing real life and LOMAC.

 

In real life, the advantage appears to be quite great. In LOMAC, not so much.

[Force_Feedback]

Is that from the Su-27SK?

 

No, vanilla Su-27

 

Su-27S/B, the one moddled in lomac

[GGTharos]

Nice :D

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Absolute BS so far as LOMAC is concerned. LOMAC does not model the radar issues that the N001 had.

I don't know what you are talking about.

 

Again, utter BS. In LOMAC, the Su-27 and F-15 performance are the same, the only difference is the multi-target engagement.

That mode works with AMRAAM only right? So F-15 cn silently lock and launch two or more ARH missiles, and you call this the "only" difference? I would add the the ONLY way for Su-27 to fight F-15 in Lock On is the use of GCI/AWACS!

 

F-15C's, ALSO fly with AWACS in reality, which is not well usable in LOMAC.

Start using tactics.

I don't fly F-15 in Lock On so I can not argue how well AWACS works with F-15. I would use tactics, however, you argue I should not use the tools am I given in a game! A that is because it would be too easy to kill F-15!

 

He's talking about LOMAC.

Stop confusing real life and LOMAC.In real life, the advantage appears to be quite great. In LOMAC, not so much. In real life, the advantage appears to be quite great. In LOMAC, not so much.

So you, GGTharos, beta tester of the ED for Lock On flight simulator, claim that in Lock On, R-27ER in HOJ mode has higher PK then AIM-120. If that is the truth, what is the use of ARH missiles? Nobudy would ever use them!

[GGTharos]

I don't know what you are talking about.

 

That mode works with AMRAAM only right? So F-15 cn silently lock and launch two or more ARH missiles, and you call this the "only" difference? I would add the the ONLY way for Su-27 to fight F-15 in Lock On is the use of GCI/AWACS!

 

But the missile itself lock you from from 15km, and it's low on speed by then, meaning it is easily defeated: Again, what's the problem?

 

I don't fly F-15 in Lock On so I can not argue how well AWACS works with F-15. I would use tactics, however, you argue I should not use the tools am I given in a game! A that is because it would be too easy to kill F-15!

 

Then start flying the F-15, because you don't know what you're talking about. The F-15C doesn't have half the tools it's supposed to have.

 

So you, GGTharos, beta tester of the ED for Lock On flight simulator, claim that in Lock On, R-27ER in HOJ mode has higher PK then AIM-120. If that is the truth, what is the use of ARH missiles? Nobudy would ever use them!

 

No, I didn't claim this, someone else did. Maybe you should try using all the weapons and finding ways to defeat them instead of trying to get people to give you advantages because you don't understand your opponent's weapons.

 

If you want someone to talk to about it, try the 159th, they're fairly good at making their R-27's effective.

[S77th-konkussion]

Hold your lock like a man :D

 

LMFAO!! Oh man where has this thread been all my life... :horseback

[S77th-konkussion]

Look man. Some guys DO just shoot n run, shoot n run. It's aggravating. So are people who freelaunch ARH's at RWR spikes without ever actually finding them on radar. It happens. Get a wingman and deal with it, man. People who do that to the exclusion of all other tactics are demonstrating they know JACK about the plane they're flying. You need to develop tactics to exploit their ignorance. I admit- I get annoyed with it at times when it's overwhelming. I'll leave & take a break if I don't have my teammates with me. You know that you can't always rely on the pilots on your side- not on comms, not in the battle, new to the whole thing, whatever. But don't just dismiss the platform as worthless.. I've downed an F15 or 2 in my time.

[Kenan]

Concerning the datalink mode: Here's how it should look like

 

 

 

 

 

Where did u find these great photos??

I suggest ED guys take a look at this!! :)

[Nomad]

Theres only one solution to your problem Hajduk: s%&" *p and practice.

 

Su-27 > F-15

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Look man. Some guys DO just shoot n run, shoot n run.

That is what I would do if I would fly F-15! That is the advantage the F-15 has in lock On! Active Radar homing Missile! I don't see a problem with people doing that. The problem that I have is the fact that I am not given the tools to do what Su-27 does the best!

 

You need to develop tactics to exploit their ignorance.

I agree! However, I am not given a tool to work on the well developed tactic! Why are we not getting AWACS/EWR in on-line maps? Su-27S is design to work with AWACS/EWR!

 

But don't just dismiss the platform as worthless.. I've downed an F15 or 2 in my time.

Very few people are flying Su-27 on line! I do not any more. There has to be a reason for that!

[Kenan]

Russians use English numerals? Or has this one been modified by another country? Nice shot.

 

There is no such thing as english numerals n00b. :D

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Theres only one solution to your problem Hajduk: s%&" *p and practice.

 

Su-27 > F-15

Hi Nomad! There is no time for practice! Just bought Futaba 9CAPS radio and saving money to get me one of these Yak 54's

 

Next summer will be some hot 3D flying!

[Guest IguanaKing]

They're actually Indian numerals, which were brought to Europe by the Arabs. ;) Only the Russian alphabet is different, I don't know of any country that uses anything other than Indian/Arabic numerals. ;)

[primus_TR]

Russians use English numerals? Or has this one been modified by another country? Nice shot.

 

Those are arabic numerals. As stated above, there's no such thing as english numerals :)

 

 

I read through the posts here but never seen anyone mention it, so here is a reminder:

 

The AIM120 is not all the way active homing. It needs to be in a certain range to the target before it can engage its onboard radar, which is very small. So the firing platform must keep guiding the AIM120 toward the target (maintain lock like you would a SARH missile) until the missile is close enough to use its own radar to acquire.

 

In LockOn tho, there isn't such requirement. You can just fire the missile from range, it goes active and it can acquire the target from a distance, which is not right.

 

The AIM 120 needs to be about 10 miles of the target (or somewhere around there. Please correct this figure if it is wrong) to be able to acquire the target whereas in the sim, it can acquire from upto 30 miles, which sort of throws off the force-on-force balance.

 

I am surprised no one here mentioned this :confused:

 

[Edit: Clarification: It actually shows the Time to Active on HUD, but even if you unlock the target immediately after launch, the missile still keeps track.]

[Kenan]

Hajduk Veljko, I'd rather get myself the one holding the plane, or do they come in package? ;=)

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

[Edit: Clarification: It actually shows the Time to Active on HUD, but even if you unlock the target immediately after launch, the missile still keeps track.]

I am glad you brought that point as well. I am sure eveybody is aware of that imperfection in modeling ARH missiles in Lock On. We just did not think of mentioning it here.

 

Also, I did not want to talk about the bugs in Lock On. I just wanted to bring the point of ARH missiles making Su-27 useless in lock On.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Hajduk Veljko, I'd rather get myself the one holding the plane, or do they come in package? ;=)

They don’t come in a package! And I am too old for that anyway. I am 40 years old have two sons (11 and 14 years old). My wife is the best and the most beautiful women in the world for me!

 

And that young one on the picture? She is a piece of art, I must admit …

[S77th-GOYA]

Hajduk, you have some misconceptions about the 15 and the 120. Try flying it for a day or two.

[GGTharos]

The ED guys already know about this, Kenan. LONG ago.

[GGTharos]

Those are arabic numerals. As stated above, there's no such thing as english numerals :)

 

 

I read through the posts here but never seen anyone mention it, so here is a reminder:

 

The AIM120 is not all the way active homing. It needs to be in a certain range to the target before it can engage its onboard radar, which is very small. So the firing platform must keep guiding the AIM120 toward the target (maintain lock like you would a SARH missile) until the missile is close enough to use its own radar to acquire.

 

In LockOn tho, there isn't such requirement. You can just fire the missile from range, it goes active and it can acquire the target from a distance, which is not right.

 

The AIM 120 needs to be about 10 miles of the target (or somewhere around there. Please correct this figure if it is wrong) to be able to acquire the target whereas in the sim, it can acquire from upto 30 miles, which sort of throws off the force-on-force balance.

 

I am surprised no one here mentioned this :confused:

 

[Edit: Clarification: It actually shows the Time to Active on HUD, but even if you unlock the target immediately after launch, the missile still keeps track.]

 

That's because you're wrong. The AIM-120 cannot acquire targets beyond 7nm with its own seeker in 1.11.

 

HOWEVER, it WILL search for targets, so if you find yourself in it's seeker cone while it's flying around, less than 7nm from the missiles, it'll bite you.

 

Also, ARH seekers can be notched just like aircraft radars.

[Trident]

ForceFeedback, I'd be interested where you got those pictures too, is there more where that came from (video, article, more images)? :)

[Force_Feedback]

ForceFeedback, I'd be interested where you got those pictures too, is there more where that came from (video, article, more images)? :)

 

To be frank, I'm not sure, I guess it's from one of these Google/Yandex.ru search sprees of me :p When I'm bored I use Google, or when I really want to know something about a Russian system I use the Russian search engines to find information on various aviation related topics.

But that's how I spend my time when I'm bored, yet not bored enough to play America's Army.

 

I guess it was some Russian site because the filenames of the pictures are in Cyrilic, but they don't make sense like: "фы.jpg", "фыффы.jpg" and "фыфы.jpg".

 

Oh, and before people like Konkussion start asking for the meaning of those, it means something like: gf.jpg, wz.jpg or tk.jpg ergo: jibberish.

 

Those 3 pics are all I got on the datalink, I don't have any high-res or other pics of it in action. :(

[britgliderpilot]

To be frank, I'm not sure, I guess it's from one of these Google/Yandex.ru search sprees of me :p When I'm bored I use Google, or when I really want to know something about a Russian system I use the Russian search engines to find information on various aviation related topics.

But that's how I spend my time when I'm bored, yet not bored enough to play America's Army.

 

I guess it was some Russian site because the filenames of the pictures are in Cyrilic, but they don't make sense like: "фы.jpg", "фыффы.jpg" and "фыфы.jpg".

 

Oh, and before people like Konkussion start asking for the meaning of those, it means something like: gf.jpg, wz.jpg or tk.jpg ergo: jibberish.

 

Those 3 pics are all I got on the datalink, I don't have any high-res or other pics of it in action. :(

 

Pics of the datalink and how the NAV mode should work?

 

You're my new best friend!! :D :D

 

 

 

. . . . or something :p

[primus_TR]

That's because you're wrong. The AIM-120 cannot acquire targets beyond 7nm with its own seeker in 1.11.

 

HOWEVER, it WILL search for targets, so if you find yourself in it's seeker cone while it's flying around, less than 7nm from the missiles, it'll bite you.

 

Also, ARH seekers can be notched just like aircraft radars.

 

 

In game performance of the AIM120 proves you wrong. Do a test and see for your self. Fire an AIM120 from 15 miles to a manouvering target and unlock. Watch the weapon view and see if the missile keeps tracking. :rolleyes: