Oznerol256 Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 Im going to try it this evening! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Konrad Friedrich Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 Im going to try it this evening! Don't forget: video evidence. I wanna see your hands on the keyboard and the video monitor ;)
Oznerol256 Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 Thats going to be hard since i need my camera for freetrack. Would it be enough to show a gameplay video with the controls monitor (RCTL+Enter) on? It should be easy to see that im using a keyboard that way. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Konrad Friedrich Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 Use the cam of your smartphone. (Would be hard for me, because I don't even own any cell phone ;)) Digital painting is a shitload of work... (ok... and a lot of fun...) Do understand that I want to see tangible evidence. :D This thread is drifting a little off the subject...
Maachine Posted April 4, 2013 Author Posted April 4, 2013 game on. i'll give it a shot tonight as well. who knows, maybe it will be easier that way
Oznerol256 Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 It seems that the main problem is that the elevator doesnt center itself after pressing up or down. The aileron does that. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Maachine Posted April 4, 2013 Author Posted April 4, 2013 right, that crossed my mind. think the throttle will be rough to control too
redfish Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 Practice practice practice. Trying to stay in the green. Flying with a Thrustmaster Warthog and a cheeseburger. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] AEF 161 Squadron CO ~~~ My YouTube Channel ~~~ "We struck down evil with the mighty sword of teamwork and the hammer of not bickering." The Shoveller ... Mystery Men
Maachine Posted April 4, 2013 Author Posted April 4, 2013 i dont understand how you can have such precise control.......i definitely need to add more curvature to my stick. how are you keeping the throttle under control? you guys use rudder at all to do this? and are you saying you're eating a cheeseburger while you do this?
redfish Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 I don't use any curves on the warthog Y=X, linear in nature. I don't use rudder in AAR. My daughter was piecemeal feeding me a cheeseburger - one bite at a time :) Remember when AAR, that you are receiving several TONNES of fuel in two or three minutes and there will be NO perfect thrust setting that will hold the receiver aircraft tracking perfectly steady with the KC-135. The receiver aircraft's weight (you), will be dynamically changing every second so will the CoG, the aircraft's pitch, roll and thrust will need to be micro managed every second. The key for me is use throttle control and the flight stick - no rudder. Power management : Power off and use inertia of aircraft to slow down due to drag, when I am moving forward too much towards the tanker boom. Power on when I am moving backwards and drag forces are too strong. The key is juggling the throttle to a power setting to make the thrust equal drag (see first line regarding TONNES of fuel). I would practice formation flying with the KC-135, without actually tanking. I practiced in different weather conditions, different lighting conditions, at night, in storms ... you get the picture. Do that for a few days. Get use to the tanker at extremely close distances. Do formation flying with other AI aircraft as well. Make a few practice missions in the ME with other slow moving formation aircraft. Follow them around the map for a few hours at close ranges. With the A-10C engines, there is a noticeable lag time when shifting between power settings - ie between full throttle and half throttle. This lag time is what I found difficult training muscle memory to anticipate the engine lag time and trying to keep the tanker boom and receiver aircraft from colliding with each other. It's been said before by some of the other respondents earlier in the thread that successful AAR, is just practice (that word again!!!!), practice, practice and like any skill, that it is the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Redfish [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] AEF 161 Squadron CO ~~~ My YouTube Channel ~~~ "We struck down evil with the mighty sword of teamwork and the hammer of not bickering." The Shoveller ... Mystery Men
Konrad Friedrich Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 It seems that the main problem is that the elevator doesnt center itself after pressing up or down. The aileron does that. You came up with that keyboard air refueling thing... (...and thus admittedly poured fuel on the fire. :angel: :music_whistling:) So it's up to you how to handle that :D
Oznerol256 Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 You came up with that keyboard air refueling thing... So it's up to you how to handle that :D ...and thus admittedly poured fuel on the fire. :angel: :music_whistling: Yea it was just some silly idea of me. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Konrad Friedrich Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 practice, practice and like any skill, that it is the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Redfish Amen
Konrad Friedrich Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 (edited) you guys use rudder at all to do this? Redfish is right. It's best to forget for refueling that the A-10 even has a rudder. A good idea is to take your feet off the rudder pedals. No rudder input during refueling. Also important: Adjust only one axis! Pitch or roll. Not both. Before you get in pre-contact position: you may want to reset trim by pressing the t/o trim button on the sas panel (next to the flaps switch). Edited April 4, 2013 by Konrad Friedrich
Maachine Posted April 4, 2013 Author Posted April 4, 2013 (edited) i have an x-52. its not nearly as solid as the TM warthog. everything i have read about the x-52 and refueling is lots of curvature. i dont think my throttle is as precise as a TM warthog either. thats pretty awesome of your daughter. mine would want to sit in my lap and take the joystick from me and eat my cheeseburger Edited April 4, 2013 by Maachine
Oznerol256 Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 mine would want to sit in my lap and take the joystick from me Let her fly! Depending on how old her is she is going to join us in multiplayer soon or later. Just my 2 Cents. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Maachine Posted April 4, 2013 Author Posted April 4, 2013 i let her play, but she turns 4 tomorrow, all she likes to do is crash into the ground
Oznerol256 Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 i let her play, but she turns 4 tomorrow, all she likes to do is crash into the ground Well in this case...i guess we have to wait a few years. :cry: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
pii Posted April 4, 2013 Posted April 4, 2013 i let her play, but she turns 4 tomorrow, all she likes to do is crash into the ground Pretty much all I do :pilotfly:
Oznerol256 Posted April 5, 2013 Posted April 5, 2013 i let her play, but she turns 4 tomorrow, all she likes to do is crash into the ground HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOUR DAUGHTER! :holiday: 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Maachine Posted April 5, 2013 Author Posted April 5, 2013 thanks man, her birthday isnt for another 3 hours here in the states, but its the idea that counts right?
Oznerol256 Posted April 5, 2013 Posted April 5, 2013 Just forgot the damned timezones. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Maachine Posted April 8, 2013 Author Posted April 8, 2013 just to update, i didnt get to fly much over the last few days. busy. did some refueling tonight and did really well actually. i'm getting it. i think the biggest issue i was having with that one mission is the wind and turbulence that is in that mission. getting better though. and thanks for all the input. 1
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