jabog32_zillion Posted December 15, 2005 Posted December 15, 2005 supercavitational torpedos are believed to be faster than 230 mph ASFAIK... some say even supersonic speeds might be achieved...
GGTharos Posted December 15, 2005 Posted December 15, 2005 supercavitational torpedos are believed to be faster than 230 mph ASFAIK... some say even supersonic speeds might be achieved... Have you ever seen what happens to a heavy supersonic bullet in water? ... it's torn into pieces on impact. Of course, a supercav torpedo might fare better, but let's not exaggerate ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
D-Scythe Posted December 15, 2005 Posted December 15, 2005 supercavitational torpedos are believed to be faster than 230 mph ASFAIK... some say even supersonic speeds might be achieved... I HIGHLY doubt supersonic speed may be achieved. The speed of sound in water is MANY times greater than the speed of sound in air ;)
jabog32_zillion Posted December 15, 2005 Posted December 15, 2005 ^^Edit: ~ 20 x faster | | ur right... well the most early report that i read had a headline saying: "supersonic torpedo" but from what i've read now it's more likely to be around 200 mph... This "Yahont" (NATO SS-N-26) missile sounds interesting aswell... :) interesting thread AND in case of war I really don't even want to know what they will pull out of their pockets, imo. we are all speculating about the tip of the iceberg, there might be a reason why certain weapons are classified top secret... Just wait until they inflate their B-1B in front of a running camera and see what follows next...
Yellonet Posted December 15, 2005 Posted December 15, 2005 Have you ever seen what happens to a heavy supersonic bullet in water? ... it's torn into pieces on impact. Of course, a supercav torpedo might fare better, but let's not exaggerate ;)Isn't the purpose of that technique for the torpedo to not be in contact with the water? And a bullet is smashed because it impacts the water at high speed, if it were to be accelerated to that speed while in the water it would not break up. i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5
GGTharos Posted December 15, 2005 Posted December 15, 2005 Are you sure? Water is quite a bit denser than atmosphere. That's like saying that if you accelerated a plane in the water it wouldn't break up. Sure, p to some speed which is likely much, much lower than 800kts - after that? Snap. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
23rd_Drago Posted December 15, 2005 Posted December 15, 2005 They thought it was possible the moment they observed subsonic bullets moving under water. They probably also thought it impractical ... I got a better one for you, they thought it was possible 3,000 years ago when someone observed an arrow going thru the water… how’s that? That doesn't prove anything about plasma stealth, however ;)) It proves that things once thought to be physically impossible, are possible… The Shkval is a last-ditch revenge weapon since it isn't really guided, and requires a nuclear warhead or loads of luck to actually accomplish anything other than forcing the enemy sub (or boat) to attempt maneuvering out of its way (which is pretty easy ... they can simply change speed, and it will likely pass outside of magnetic influence radius) Thank you for your expertise and ground-breaking insight on this subject, however that wasn’t even my point. BTW, improved models will incorporate guidance in the near future…
D-Scythe Posted December 15, 2005 Posted December 15, 2005 I got a better one for you, they thought it was possible 3,000 years ago when someone observed an arrow going thru the water… how’s that? And I got a better one for you...it's going to be a while before ANYONE breaks the sound barrier under water ;)
23rd_Drago Posted December 15, 2005 Posted December 15, 2005 And I got a better one for you...it's going to be a while before ANYONE breaks the sound barrier under water ;) Erh!?! And this concerns me how!?!
D-Scythe Posted December 15, 2005 Posted December 15, 2005 Erh!?! And this concerns me how!?! LOL, it doesn't. My bad, I misquoted :icon_toil
Guest IguanaKing Posted December 15, 2005 Posted December 15, 2005 Ever read about "Shkval" torpedo... and even now, do you think it's possible for an object to travel at 230+ mph underwater? Do you think people thought it was possible 20 years ago? No, I haven't read much about that torpedo, but I have heard of it. I agree though...pretty much anything is possible...all it takes is money and time. ;)
GGTharos Posted December 16, 2005 Posted December 16, 2005 I got a better one for you, they thought it was possible 3,000 years ago when someone observed an arrow going thru the water… how’s that? I'd say it's pretty good ;) It proves that things once thought to be physically impossible, are possible… Theoretically, you can also shoot a sattelite into orbit from a gun, or build a space elevator. No one thinks they're physically impossible (quite the opposite) just rather practically impossible at this time. Again, 'this may be' proves zip about plasma stealth. But if you want to say that it could go either way, I'll agree with that. Thank you for your expertise and ground-breaking insight on this subject, however that wasn’t even my point. Sarcasm won't make your point either. Your point was that it was someting that was though to be 'physically impossible' ... well ... it wasn't. BTW, improved models will incorporate guidance in the near future… Yeah, sure. How 'near' is the 'near future'? Last I checked, the gas bubble will distort any lidar passing through it, it'll deafen any sonar device and ehhh ... radar doesn't really work under water, so ... :confused: Guidance was a much talked about subject for the Shkval, and so far it has always gone to one place: Nowhere. The only 'real' possibilities that I heard of was the thing slowing down to ping around with its onboard SONAR, or to use it to deliver a light homing torpedo quick and close to the target, which in and of itself would make it extra dangerous, but not nearly as precise as a traditional torpedo. Any recent breakthroughs you know of? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
jabog32_zillion Posted December 16, 2005 Posted December 16, 2005 GGTharos good old ability to accept criticism on his person... respect... Plus he always seemed to know quite a bit when it comes to radar technogies, and drago he might, and he did in the past for me, sound to you as if he'd knew things better permanently but I think he reads a lot on related subjects... Active plasma stealth technology and supercavitation torpedos, in reality we could start reading now and it would keep us busy until well after retirement to accquire a degree of understanding that has anything to do with "understanding". All we can do is believe the most trustworthy source of information we encounter when using our friend the google search engine. For me these links always provided a good source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercavitation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VA-111_Shkval http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_stealth and this one seems quite useable aswell: http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/plasma/ I read them all fully (at last) and I can only hope to have understood...
Yellonet Posted December 16, 2005 Posted December 16, 2005 but I think he reads a lot on related subjects...Doesn't everyone? ;) i7-2600k@4GHz, 8GB, R9 280X 3GB, SSD, HOTAS WH, Pro Flight Combat Pedals, TIR5
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