EOS system on russian birds

[ScEBlack1]

When eos is active(o button)am i invisible to the enemies rws or tews or both, also do you have to be very close to the enemy for him to show up and to lock him,and he gets no warning whatsoever that a missle is on the way. Could someone elaborate on this function and how it works and what is the best way to use it, it's difficult offline to practice this function. I believe you are flying blind so to speak before you can spot a bandit and get a lock. Thank you in advance.

[Guest EVIL-SCOTSMAN]

with eos on, you are not trasmitting, which means no one knows that your there, only when they start to use there radar will you be able to pick them up in EOS mode. remember tho, make sure your radar isnt on aswell. There never used to be a warning when you fired on someone while having them locked via eos, but that may of changed with the new patch, if it has it will only be for the f15, but i really cant say as i dont fly the f15. su25t all the way for me ;)

 

EDIT:

 

as someone pointed out to me, he cannot begin to understand my post, so i will unconfuse him as i was busy at the time of posting.

 

only when they start to use there radar will you be able to pick them up in EOS mode. remember tho, make sure your radar isnt on aswell - should read like this,

 

Only when you start to use your radar will they pick you up. In eos mode, remember tho, make sure your radar isnt on aswell.

 

is that easy for you to begin to understand now mr warrior ?

[Silent Warrior]

I really can't begin to understand SCOTSMAN's post, so I'll throw in one of my own.

 

EOS, not an active sensor, we're all clear on that. As I understand it, however, it tracks heat signatures. Picking up radar-signals is done with RWR, isn't it?

I'm not going to claim to know anything about RWRs and missile-launch warnings, but in Falcon 4, I never got a warning about R-27Ts on the RWR. As IR-guided missiles just home onto a heat-source, it can't be seen on RWR, right? Maybe if there was some sort of missile-tracking radar-thingy...

[S77th-konkussion]

IRST (EOS) is a PASSIVE (not transmitting a detectable signal) heat detector, and as such- it works best when approaching your target's rear aspect. It will detect from the front- but the effective range is so short that your chances of not being engaged yourself are pretty skinny. Some things to keep in mind.

 

The radar and the IRST are backup systems for one another. This means the other system will automatically kick in to attempt re-acquisition of a lost target lock.- It's up to the PILOT to note that this has happened. If you are backing up a friendly, or there are friendlies in the area your EOS CANNOT distinguish "good" from "bad" heat.

 

Certain radar modes are IRST on by default, like Vertical scan. The aircraft will automatically bring up the R73, however you can fire any IR missile on board. R27T, ET, R73. If you have any doubt as to the IFF on your target- you better toggle the radar on and look for the "F" for friendly on the left side of the HUD.

 

Proper use of this system within the parameters of the chosen weapon means that you've got a sittin' duck in front of you. His only hope is to actually see the missile coming at him and attempt to avoid it and/or spoof it with countermeasures. There will be no radar warnings in his cockpit. Of course- online- it's not easy to sneak up behind anyone.

[ScEBlack1]

So Konkussion i need to not turn on my radar, only push o for the eos and set it for bvr and appropriate missle and sneek up(preferably from the rear aspect) on my enemy and take him out. He will not see me on his rwr or anything, im invisible? thanks for your explanation,very helpful.

[GGTharos]

HOwever, as Konkussion caustioned you, if the enemy is running his radar and you're in the scan zone, EOS will get you killed since you'll pick up the target well inside your enemy's missile launch zone.

[S77th-konkussion]

Being "invisible" is a function of whether or not he can detect you on his own radar, or visually. The IRST should not be relied upon for the initial detection of that target.-especially over medium or longer ranges.

 

If an AWACS is in the mission, this certainly helps your chances of sneaking up behind him because you know his aspect without having to illuminate him on TWS radar. The AWACs does have terrain & range limitations.

 

If you're talking OFFLINE against AI targets - I hate to put it this way.. but due to the DIVINE SA powers of the AI -virtually everything I just said is basically ****

[ScEBlack1]

Ok i understand thank you all for the pointers. Sounds like it is best(online that is) to snek way around the enemy and come in from behind to lock him in eos(radar off of course) and get the kill. This has happened to me last night a few times no warning,no rwr, no nothing then wammo good bye. Thanks guys

[Guest EVIL-SCOTSMAN]

I really can't begin to understand SCOTSMAN's post, so I'll throw in one of my own.

 

EOS, not an active sensor, we're all clear on that. As I understand it, however, it tracks heat signatures. Picking up radar-signals is done with RWR, isn't it?

I'm not going to claim to know anything about RWRs and missile-launch warnings, but in Falcon 4, I never got a warning about R-27Ts on the RWR. As IR-guided missiles just home onto a heat-source, it can't be seen on RWR, right? Maybe if there was some sort of missile-tracking radar-thingy...

 

 

so i made a mistake and said only when there radar is on will you be able to pick them up, when i should of said only IF your radar is on will they pick YOU up as eos is undetectable.

 

what i didnt remember was if the f15 could pick it up with the new patch, as i havent really played with the new patch as my pc broke'd and i knew they added warnings for things that werent warning you before the new patch.

 

so your really cant begin to understand my post is false, cause you can understand that i said eos was not transmitting so it was undetectable.

 

you never been busy while posting and kinda lost your concentration a little bit ?

 

Also this aint falcon fuxing 4

 

merry xmas

[Gazehound]

Ok i understand thank you all for the pointers. Sounds like it is best(online that is) to snek way around the enemy and come in from behind to lock him in eos(radar off of course) and get the kill. This has happened to me last night a few times no warning,no rwr, no nothing then wammo good bye. Thanks guys

If you do that you stand a very good chance of shooting down a freindly.

Lock up and close-in, then whwn you are in a position to fire a good shot, put radar on. You get no IFF warning in EOS - everything is a 'bandit'.

[S77th-konkussion]

That is a good tip. Locking him up on radar will alert him- but he won't have time to react at that point. Better than killing a friendly.

[Yellonet]

Lot's of strange explanations...

 

The EOS is a combined IR seeker and laser range finder.

The sensor picks up IR radiation i.e. heat, and as it's a passive seeker you are not sending anything out (except for laser, but aircraft doesn't usually have warning systems for that), therefore no one can detect that you are using the EOS.

 

You use it just as you would with the radar, but as it detects heat it has a much shorter range than the radar. And for obvious reasons the range to detect an aircraft is much greater when you are behind it than if you are infront of it.

 

It is great for launching heaters without the enemy ever knowing that you were there. So if you're launching from behind and the target is not manuevering it's a pretty sure kill.

However the EOS can be used for more than for 'stealth' locking targets. The radar is also slaved to the EOS so you can lock a target with the EOS (stealthy) and when you are in range for a radar guided shot you turn on the radar and imediately launch the missile, this way the enemy will have minimum time to react as he will get a missile warning directly without having time to prepare because of radar/lock warning.

 

Edit: Damn it... didn't read all the posts.

 

Edit 2: If you're flying the MiG-29S you can have much fun with the R-77, lock with EOS, get within Active range of the missile, turn on radar, launch, turn off radar, reposition yourself, now if the target survives he wont know where you went as you only painted him half a second.

[Prophet_169th]

The ET is made for the 6 shot.

 

In an Su27, if you get a launch on him first, even if he presses for his 120 shot, if he is smart is will go defensive.

 

Once he does, if you are sly, you can shake the 120 and if hes running, grab his afterburners in EOS and give him an ET =)

[Yellonet]

The ET is made for the 6 shot.

 

In an Su27, if you get a launch on him first, even if he presses for his 120 shot, if he is smart is will go defensive.

 

Once he does, if you are sly, you can shake the 120 and if hes running, grab his afterburners in EOS and give him an ET =)

Nice one... you'll need some good SA me thinks. Man... using the helmet mounted sight must be a dream with TrackIR :cool:

[ScEBlack1]

Question, can helmet mounted site be used for eos shots? and vertical for that matter?.

[S77th-konkussion]

Nice one... you'll need some good SA me thinks. Man... using the helmet mounted sight must be a dream with TrackIR :cool:

 

 

Ayuh. It is. :D

[Yellonet]

Question, can helmet mounted site be used for eos shots? and vertical for that matter?.

Yes, all the different modes work with either radar and/or EOS.

 

However, as the EOS seeker is mounted on top of the nose it shouldn't be able to 'see' at a large angle downwards, don't know if this is modeled or not though...

[ScEBlack1]

By expeirience what mode seems to work best for online and from the rear aspect. Helmet,bvr,vertical,bore etc. Thanks for the help on this subject.

[Guest EVIL-SCOTSMAN]

close up with visual, helmet sights is the best i think, but only if they moving away from you and you have visual on them, in a turning fight where you have got the range to still use and lockon to them using helmet sights is magic, once in the helmet sights, game over, even if it is at a weird looking angle that you think the missile aint gonna go there.

 

For a real close up turning fight where you cant see the other dude as he maybe that tiny bit to high for you to see him or you cant lock him up with helmet then i would use vertical scan/3 as that will give you a decent advantage in a turning fight if you are on someones six.

 

but normally, i would just use bvr/2 vertical/3 and helmet sights/5 thats it, they are the 3 main ones that i suppose everyone uses, i maybe wrong. You have radar and eos in bvr, you have radar and eos in helmet sights mode and you also have vertical scan which is radar, so you have got a few good scanning options with just those 3 modes.

[Yellonet]

In most cases I'd say that the CAC mode is best in CAC :p

As it locks up the target automatically it's very nice to use, but if the fight turns really close the helmet mounted sight will give you a very nice edge.

 

Check this track to see the power of the helmet mounted sight ;)

I actually didn't get launch authorization so I quickly turned on launch override... the missiles are pulling 20+ G's ;)

 

http://forum.lockon.ru/showthread.php?t=12491

[ScEBlack1]

What track, i dont see one.

[Yellonet]

Here it is: http://forum.lockon.ru/showthread.php?t=12491