Couple of questions regarding 1.2.5

[xracer]

Ok, after waiting off all this mess after the 1.2.5 patch, it starts to look like the sim is getting closer to work properly again, but i wanted to ask a couple of important things for me that is.

 

1. ED want us to use the Autoupdater as much as possible i know, but i like to have the torrent version of my updates until the Autoupdatesystem is reliable enough meaning not to many customer complaints about problems using it. So i wanted to ask ED if they are going to put a torrent for the hotfix or wait until next patch to integrate it there? I would personally like the torrent for the hotfix.

 

2. I have until now bought all products ED has ever relased even Jane's F/A-18 which Wags also worked on even if not ED. Still play it btw. I may continue with that if i see changes in the things which for me is the critical aspect having a good time with the sim and that is the SP combat environment. I hear reports of the following:

 

1. Vehicles not getting to their destination cause of pileups. And that seems like many places according to member findings.

 

2. AI's spotting you even if behind cover. This part i guess is complex, but i would like to know if the changes ED has done in 1.2.5 in regards to this is making the sim more realistic combat wise in SP.

 

3. AI's flying into the ground on their RTB.

 

4. In general what issues are still in the sim when it comes to these kind of matters which affect SP gameplay most AI wise. I dont have much time nowadays to do to much research on this so the time i get i just want to d/l a user made mission and play or continue working on making a mission.

 

5. I was starting sometime ago on making a pretty advanced mission with lots of triggers and i did lots of testing along the way to check that things repeatedly worked as they should. I did notice that this work took alot of time, so my question is can ED answer how much effort is gonna be put into making sure backwards compatibility on missions in the future?

 

In general any eyecandy improvements from now on should in my opinion be put on hold until things like to above is sorted out. in my opinion these are really critical things for the sim. I guess this is worked on. These things may be resource hungry apsects for ED and not directly generating funds like new models etc. etc. do, but i can't do more than offer my support by buying their future modules, but i have a feeling sometimes that the combat environment for SP play isnt stable enough especially for using alot of time to make missions and also for generating enough "Randomness" in the AI's behavior. Sounds a bit like am talking dynamic campaign here but isn't there a middleway out there?

[Panzertard]

Just my 2 quick & dirty cents :)

1. Autoupdatesystem- works great for me. What's your main issue?

 

2. General bugs. Keep reporting them in the proper subforums, using a Mission to reproduce the issue.

This greatly speeds up issues being identified & slated for fixing.

[msalama]

+1

 

Good and most pertinent questions there Sir.

[kontiuka]

I use the auto-updater for the smaller patches but when it's a major version that's over 5 gigs, I prefer to just download the files from the DCS website. I don't have as much faith in using the auto-updater when the download is that big.

[Panzertard]

How come you don't have faith in it? What's the main issue you guys experience then? :)

[kontiuka]

How come you don't have faith in it? What's the main issue you guys experience then? :)

Oh, to be fair, it may not be the updater itself. Just people with slower internet connections might find 5 plus gigs too much to swallow in one gulp. I remember trying the updater once on a major download and it crashed halfway through. Since then, I've just downloaded the files from the website.

[cichlidfan]

How come you don't have faith in it? What's the main issue you guys experience then? :)

 

It is almost always faster to torrent the entire sim than to use the autoupdater, if the update is of any significant size. That and the fact that it is easier to reinstall if you have a full set of current build install files.

 

I do the same as the OP, updater for little mid patches but full dl for major releases.

[xracer]

Just my 2 quick & dirty cents :)

1. Autoupdatesystem- works great for me. What's your main issue?

 

2. General bugs. Keep reporting them in the proper subforums, using a Mission to reproduce the issue.

This greatly speeds up issues being identified & slated for fixing.

 

Panzer, if you dont see any implications of using the autoupdater that is good for you, and i dont really want to waste time explaining why i dont prefer to use it. Lets leave it with that. Talking about that maybe the Autopdater will be the only available solution soon anyway for us if they move over to Steam soon and do a connection to the old method via them. Just as a sidenote i've never actually had any problems with Steam whatsoever and i think it's good that ED moves over to them. Origin is another matter....what a...Grrr! An Autoupdater or Steam system which is 100% reliable is definately to prefer for ED i guess. But as long as i can choose i like the Torrent.

 

When it comes to your second "tip" i am not actually reporting bugs here. At least that was not the intention. I try to sum up som of the things i myself think is important for the longterm life of the sim. These matters if not working could cost ED the loss of alot of potential newcommers and i have only one thing i want with ED and DCS and that is that its gonna be the ultimate sim above ground in the future. I dont think that you have to think hard too long to find another military sim which if they put effort into it will close the gap and even pass DCS by along run for a complete military simulation. Note that that is if they put the effort into it. I want DCS to keep going strong as smaller companies always seems to take care of their customers better that the big ones. Also the more planes i get above a certain max to choose from it turns the other way around and i stop playing cause i dont know where to start. More planes is good, but not at any cost.

 

There are other more important features which needs to work stable and well to make the sim interesting as a combat sim and not only a place to do sightseeing with a new plane once a week. Don't really ask me for exact problems, there are others which seems to have alot more time to do research into that around here. Maybe some of the reports aren't correct so therefore am asking here.

Edited July 26, 2013 by xracer

[Panzertard]

Roger that Xracer, I'm also just gathering inputs - and there's always some useful views from different people. I see your point regarding the auto-updater, I just hadn't reflected on it like that earlier. Hence why I asked for input.

 

You were starting on going a bit into details on some specific issues, hence a heads up to everybody in general, quite a few people isn't aware that it's quite useful for ED to get a proper report instead of the usual "this thing doesn't work" posts.

Just a friendly reminder to the casual reader basically. :)

 

Tbh, as you have pointed out, we all want a stable & streamlined product - constructive critics are always useful.

[c0ff]

it's good that ED moves over to them

We don't move there. Just making DCS available there as well.

[xracer]

Roger that Xracer, I'm also just gathering inputs - and there's always some useful views from different people. I see your point regarding the auto-updater, I just hadn't reflected on it like that earlier. Hence why I asked for input.

 

You were starting on going a bit into details on some specific issues, hence a heads up to everybody in general, quite a few people isn't aware that it's quite useful for ED to get a proper report instead of the usual "this thing doesn't work" posts.

Just a friendly reminder to the casual reader basically. :)

 

Tbh, as you have pointed out, we all want a stable & streamlined product - constructive critics are always useful.

 

No problem, Panzer thanks for the understanding on this!

 

I know its ALOT easier to ask for than to develop. They need to do tradoffs all the time and not at least if they make the sim flawless too soon, then there won't be that much to discuss either. It will be only "How was your flight today?". "Jolly good thanks, and yours?":D

[xracer]

We don't move there. Just making DCS available there as well.

 

Yes i understand, was using the wrong words there. Will be interesting to see how things go with DCS on Steam. Hardcore sims is a hard nail as often its only the most dedicated which put their money into it, but hey you know as long as ED supplies these superfidelity models and an always improving environment, those who appreciate it i think will always support ED even if away for a while. As i see it the sim has the potential of being the only sim i would ever need for this kind of gaming.