why russian pits are in baby blue color?

[Cedaway]

Maybe they simply received cost reduction for those particular colors... :megalol:

 

EDIT: found a "pop-psych article" ( Copyright Crescendo ;)) on the subject.

Edited September 12, 2013 by Cedaway

[Teknetinium]

Tek, what particularly are you drawing our attention to?

 

We can see green in more nuances than any other color. In our evolution we always were surrounded by water, plants,sky and fire, blood, poison that indicates in very sharp bright colors as RED or YELLOW. That is the foundation of our understanding of colors. I believe surrounding you are grown up in effect how you react to different colors and obviously the context the color is in.

 

The bottom line is that you can not get totally scientific approach to how colors affect mood because we all slightly different. But we all do see green in more nuances than any other, that is proven. So when about to blackout the vision eventually collapses to tunnel vision, accompanied by graying or dimming of vision. The brain maight lose the green as the last color?

 

Colors, like features, follow the changes of the emotions. - Pablo Picasso

http://psychology.about.com/od/sensationandperception/a/colorpsych.htm

Edited September 12, 2013 by Teknetinium

[Crescendo]

it would seem some have problems accepting the fact Russians used logic, psychology to come to terms of what color is needed

 

Completely wrong. I don't have any problem accepting it whatsoever, provided there is evidence to back it up. No one has been able to produce anything so far.

 

Please supply an actual scientific study that says people find blue calming/soothing, and supply a document that shows Russian designers selected blue to calm/soothe their pilots. It's a reasonable request. Anything else is a 'just-so' explanation that makes 'intuitive' sense, i.e. it must be true because blue is calming, we all know it, so that must be why the Russians use it.

 

I could just as easily say that blue is depressing. Maybe Russia is filled with sad pilots who don't want to fly anymore. :lol:

 

I don't think people around here really understand how science works and how conservative scientific statements generally. You don't get to make sweeping statements like "blue is calming/soothing" without a massive amount of qualifications and caveats, because it depends on a whole host of complicated factors that need to controlled for including biology, personality, culture, upbringing, education, environment, marketing, subjective opinion, and many many others I'm sure I'm forgetting.

 

and no, crescendo, this isn't us making stuff up, this is proven that blue color soothes one's mind and it certainly helps your eyes adjust from observing the outside of cockpit (sky,light blue sky,etc) back to instrument panel-light blue.. the transition is much easier for the eyes..

 

http://psychology.about.com/od/sensationandperception/a/colorpsych.htm

Nothing in that link you provided is anywhere close to scientific evidence for blue being soothing. It's just a series of assertions, and assertions are not proof. There are even statements on that page that argue against your position, e.g. "Of course, your feelings about color are often deeply personal and rooted in your own experience or culture."

 

As for it helping your "eyes adjust from observing the outside of cockpit", that is an entirely separate claim, one that I am not talking about.

 

studies proving this are numerous

If they are numerous, show them to me! Don't just post a link to an about.com page and say that it's "proven".

 

but studies proving other logic that you support-black color somehow being helpful are very few indeed if any at all..

 

for instance, would anybody love to have their kitchen painted in BLACK? or bedroom? or any room for that matter? ..

Why are you insisting that I have some ulterior motive to prove that black is the best? I have not even mentioned the colour black.

 

This is purely a creation of your own bias. You think that anyone asking a question about a Russian plane must be out to make Russia look bad and some other country look good. I don't appreciate you implying that I'm playing favorites or disingenuously trying to badmouth another country for my own satisfaction.

 

Is asking for a link to scientific studies and documents about Russian cockpit design a bad-mannered question? It most certainly is not.

 

while US went straight to Darth Vader fashion

we see this trend of western technology lovers argue everything Russians do no matter how sensible just since west wasn't the first one to do that instead.. the moment abrams and leopard get the auto-loaders for the tanks all of a sudden we will hear west invented auto-loaders and this is the future of tank combat.. lol..

I find it very telling that pepin, and now you, are trying to turn this into an us versus them fight, a Russia versus America fight. Why? You are muddying the waters by doing this and exposing a nationalistic bias. This talk of nations is completely irrelevant to the point I am making. All I'm asking for is evidence, yet you didn't provide any, you just boasted about how sensible the East is and how foolish the West is.

 

If you think that I am only asking for evidence so that I can 'stick it' to Russia and reassert American pride, you are sorely mistaken. Read my posts, nowhere did I impugn Russia or imply that Russia was foolish for using this colour. The fact that this is about Russian aircraft is purely incidental. It could be any aircraft from any nation. I just want evidence that verifies the claim that blue is soothing, and that Russia used blue that specific reason. If it's such common knowledge, it should be easy to find such documentation.

 

I shouldn't need to say this because it's irrelevant, but I'm not American, I am Australian, so I have no nationa agenda (but I suppose I will be accused of supporting America because my country buys American aircraft!). Again, I shouldn't need to say this because it's irrelevant, but I actually like the blue colour in Russian cockpits because it's a fun little quirk and a splash of character that let's you know you're flying a Russian aircraft.

 

This is not about national pride! Don't make it a fight about irrelevant details that serve only to make people upset.

 

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Am I not making sense? Have I miscommunicated in my posts? I just want the facts. I am not picking fights, I am not trying make Russia look bad, I just want to clear up this long standing question once and for all.

 

Whenever this topic comes up people always talk about the colour blue calming and soothing the hypothetical pilot, but no one has supported that with any studies or documents. If you think that intuition and pop-psych articles are sufficient evidence, then you might as well start giving pilots placebo pills telling them that it'll make them calmer in combat.

[NineLine]

You can tell by these forums that blue isnt calming what so ever ;)

[Crescendo]

We can see green in more nuances than any other color. In our evolution we always were surrounded by water, plants,sky and fire, blood, poison that indicates in very sharp bright colors as RED or YELLOW. That is the foundation of our understanding of colors. I believe surrounding you are grown up in effect how you react to different colors and obviously the context the color is in.

 

The bottom line is that you can not get totally scientific approach to how colors affect mood because we all slightly different. But we all do see green in more nuances than any other, that is proven. So when about to blackout the vision eventually collapses to tunnel vision, accompanied by graying or dimming of vision. The brain maight lose the green as the last color?

 

Colors, like features, follow the changes of the emotions. - Pablo Picasso

http://psychology.about.com/od/sensationandperception/a/colorpsych.htm

 

Tek, I totally agree when you say "you can not get totally scientific approach to how colors affect mood because we all slightly different." This is why it's problematic to talk about blue cockpits calming/soothing pilots. The pilots are all individuals with their own set of characteristics and will react differently or not at all to the cockpit colour.

 

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Just to be clear to all reading this thread, I am not talking about contrast, ease of transition from cockpit to sky and back again, or anything like that. Blue might be useful for these and other reasons, but it's a stretch to say that mood is one of them.

 

My only goal is questioning the often repeated claim that blue calms/soothes the pilot. It's clear that this is a subjective matter, and in my opinion the only reason this claim won't die is because people just feel that 'duh, it's blue, of course it must be calming and soothing!'

 

Anyway, I feel sorry for all the Russian pilots that are overcome with sadness, and then sit shivering from the cold, because they are sitting in their BLUE cockpits. Those poor miserable cold Russians. ;) ( <-- blue smiley)

Edited September 12, 2013 by Crescendo

[Seaeagle]

At any rate, there is nothing particularly Russian about coloring cockpits for the purpose of reducing contrast between outside/inside viewing.

 

As mentioned earlier the cockpit color(dark gull grey) applied to most modern US jets has the same purpose, but since its a shade of grey I guess its just not noticed as much - same with the MiG-29 cockpit color, which is often incorrectly referred to as "neutral grey".

 

I don't know about any psychological considerations/studies in regards to Russian cockpit coloring, but I do remember reading about it in connection with the interior coloring(bright "sand" color) of Russian submarines, which supposedly has a beneficial effect on the mood of the crew - but then we are talking about being locked down in a metal box for weeks or months never seeing daylight.......rather different circumstances.

[Fishbreath]

Maybe it is just because Russians like pastel colours?

 

My unsupported theory is that the Russians like pastel colors because they still look bright and happy when it's cloudy and snowy. :P

[AndyJWest]

What colour do the Russians paint their landing gear?