[Closed] DCSWorld 1.2.6.19532, Starforce VM Error Dialog

[Vedexent]

It may be that Virtualbox is not very good, I'm trying Vmware right now.

 

I appreciate it :)

 

For me the ideal "working" virtualizer would be KVM - but VMWare is an installable package on my Linux lab box.

 

I'd be trying this out myself - but I'm still at work.

[Rhinox]

Yes it does. What do you think protect.dll is.

Part of ProActive copy protection (that is that activation-code you have to enter).

Edited October 24, 2013 by SkateZilla
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[Abburo]

Maybe it will be also good to know that the Microsoft RemoteFX is able to produce full direct3D GPU virtualization. This is supported since Windows 2008 R2 server. A most comprehensive description cand be found here:

 

http://www.petri.co.il/hyper-v-r2-sp1-remotefx.htm#

[Vedexent]

1. I'm using free vSphere 5.1.0, build 1312873 (type-1 hypervisor). VM is Windows7/64b, with 2 vCores and 8GB vRAM (normal share, not-reserved, not over-comitted), vm-hardware version vmx-09. ESXi-server is single-Xeon (4cores, 8 threads), 32GB RAM, local storage (hw raid1), running ~10 VMs (mostly linux)...

 

2. I installed clean DCS-World 1.2.6.18933-283 (the latest download version at that time), and updated in-game to the latest version.

 

3. As i said: it is clean VM and clean DCS. No need to duplicate it.

 

4. Virtualbox (and all other type-2 hypervisors, i.e. VMware Workstation) are IMHO not very suitable for Windows-VM, especially if graphics is included. The same for KVM (very poor support of graphics). Maybe Xen is worth a try, but I have most experience with ESXi.

 

Thanks for the data. My "target box" in an quad-core i7 (precise model number escapes me - about a year old) with 32Gb of RAM, so the core/RAM info is very helpful. I don't mind if I need to dedicate cores or RAM to the DCS server: most of my other linux VMs are pretty light single-purpose servers or micro-installations used to string together for virtual networking simulations.

 

If it will work in KVM, I don't need a lot of graphics support - I'll be disabling 3D rendering anyways, and tapping into the server externally from a gaming PC, I just need the server aspect.

 

However, if VSphere is an absolute must have, then there's an AUR package for it, so installing it to the Arch Linux system shouldn't be too much problem.

 

Appreciate the hard data.

[SkateZilla]

Simple test,

 

in the VM DCSW, Downgrade to previous 1.2.6 Build and see if it allows DCS to Run.

 

Im In Office for another 4-5 hours, so I cannot run anything at the moment.

[Pepec9124]

I knew it's some kind on vmware stuff...

Hopefuly player will do.

 

Simple test,

 

in the VM DCSW, Downgrade to previous 1.2.6 Build and see if it allows DCS to Run.

 

Im In Office for another 4-5 hours, so I cannot run anything at the moment.

 

Actually I did this kind of thing. First DCS_World_1.2.6.18651.276-275 and then update to the latest.

Edited October 24, 2013 by Pepec9124

[xaoslaad]

Part of ProActive copy protection (that is that activation-code you have to enter).

You're right that that is where you enter the key. that's the exe to go with the dll. Now search starforce protect dll and see that they are one and the same. You're comical in your denial.

 

http://www.onlinesecurity-on.com/info.phtml?c=83

[Rhinox]

...However, if VSphere is an absolute must have, then there's an AUR package for it, so installing it to the Arch Linux system shouldn't be too much problem...

I'm affraid you do not understand, so I will try to explain just some basics of virtualization without going very deep:

 

"type-1 hypervisor" (sometimes called bare-metal) is virtualization platform "sitting" directly on hardware. Kind of "minimalistic" OS, which does not do anything else, just virtualizes underlying real hardware for VM. Nothing is between type-1 hypervisor, and hardware. So you can not install vSphere ON arch-linux. First, vSphere must be installed (directly on hardware), then you create VMs (be it linux, windows, etc) and install OS as usuall. Common type-1 hypervisors are ESXi (vSphere), Hyper-V, Xen, etc.

 

"type-2 hypervisor" (operation-system assisted) is installed ON TOP of normal OS (linux, windows). Some of this kind are VirtualBox, VMware Workstation, or VMware Player. These have higher overhead, and IMHO are not very suitable for running games on it.

Edited October 24, 2013 by Rhinox
typo-correcting

[SkateZilla]

ProActive can protect Programs from Running on Virtual Hardware, without requiring a License Key.

 

So you can have Modules Protected by Proactive License, then the rest of the software protected by ProActive Software, it wont ask for a License Key, but it will prompt you and block you under certain circumstances. VM/Software Emulation Being one of them.

[Rhinox]

That sounds logical. Ultimately, why should you protect something, that is free? And for server, all you need is DCS-World...

 

Anyway, DCS-World does run on VM (at least on my configuration). If I find some time, I will record desktop-video. It might explain it better...

 

(btw, I do not like censorship. Especially when I DID NOT break any rule)

[SkateZilla]

I'm affraid you do not understand, so I will try to explain just some basics of virtualization without going very deep:

 

"type-1 hypervisor" (sometimes called bare-metal) is virtualization platform "sitting" directly on hardware. Kind of "minimalistic" OS, which does not do anything else, just virtualizes underlying real hardware for VM. Nothing is between type-1 hypervisor, and hardware. So you can not install vSphere ON arch-linux. First, vSphere must be installed (directly on hardware), then you create VMs (be it linux, windows, etc) and install OS as usuall. Common type-1 hypervisors are ESXi (vSphere), Hyper-V, Xen, etc.

 

"type-2 hypervisor" (operation-system assisted) is installed ON TOP of normal OS (linux, windows). Some of this kind are VirtualBox, VMware Workstation, or VMware Player. These have higher overhead, and IMHO are not very suitable for running games on it.

 

 

Correct.

[Pepec9124]

So vSphere is OS.

Gonna test it tomorrow unless something important comes up.

 

DCS on Player is half way done.

 

 

@Skatezilla

 

It's nice that it is protecting payware modules but why free part ? Thanks to ED we will get dedicated server soon without VM flaws.

[SkateZilla]

That sounds logical. Ultimately, why should you protect something, that is free? And for server, all you need is DCS-World...

 

Anyway, DCS-World does run on VM (at least on my configuration). If I find some time, I will record desktop-video. It might explain it better...

 

Like I said, it ****could**** have simply been a Starforce Library Update, Microsoft Does it all the time, there arent any major DX9 Updates, but they issue runtime updates all the time to developers, who include them in patches for their software.

 

Starforce prolly published a library update to developers, and it prolly re-set stuff that ED had changed.

 

I can speculate for hours, but anything other than a official response from an ED Team member, is just that speculation.

[SkateZilla]

So vSphere is OS.

Gonna test it tomorrow unless something important comes up.

 

DCS on Player is half way done.

 

 

@Skatezilla

 

It's nice that it is protecting payware modules but why free part ? Thanks to ED we will get dedicated server soon without VM flaws.

 

 

Starforce Integrated VM/Emulation Protection Long Ago, for obvious reasons.

 

Read my above post regarding protecting the "free part"

[Rhinox]

And I think it could be something different:

 

For any software it is MUCH easier to detect it is running on VM if type-2 hypervisor is used (i.e. VirtualBox), than to detect it is running on type-1 hypervisor (ESXi)...

[Vedexent]

I'm affraid you do not understand, so I will try to explain just some basics of virtualization without going very deep

 

Yeah ... you did notice the part where I described the box I was planning on putting the DCS Server on is my virtualization lab? Guess not.

 

True, I haven't work with VMWare products before, much preferring open source solutions like KVM, or - if I'm virtualizing Linux guests on a Linux hosts, OpenVZ containers (and in a pinch VirtualBox), but I work with VMs, and more than half of the "systems" in my home network are single-purpose VMs.

 

But thanks for not merely correcting my mistaken impression with "no, I meant the bare metal hypervisor version", and explaining the very basics of virtualization to me without overloading my poor little head.

Edited October 24, 2013 by Vedexent
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[Pepec9124]

Starforce Integrated VM/Emulation Protection Long Ago, for obvious reasons.

 

Read my above post regarding protecting the "free part"

 

 

Thanks Zilla.

 

 

 

Guys I made it. Vmware player can run DCS in virtual environment :pilotfly:

I knew it's best for VMs but come on, overriding Starforce ?

No need for super powerful Xeon rig :megalol:

Only downside is that it is loading long as hell but it's virtual stuff flaw. Put it on SSD or RAM and it will be rocket. Decent fps for a VM, fluid on default settings.

 

[Vedexent]

Thanks Zilla. Guys I made it. Vmware player can run DCS in virtual environment

 

Awesome news, thank you very much.

 

That I can install on my VM Lab box :)

 

Edit: Pepec9124 how big is the VM image? I'm wondering if I can carve off enough system RAM to hold the VM image in memory. Say ... 8Gb "ramdisk" image, and 8Gb for the system to operate? That's half my system memory, but I might be able to swing it.

Edited October 24, 2013 by Vedexent

[Pepec9124]

Awesome news, thank you very much.

 

That I can install on my VM Lab box :)

 

Edit: Pepec9124 how big is the VM image? I'm wondering if I can carve off enough system RAM to hold the VM image in memory. Say ... 8Gb "ramdisk" image, and 8Gb for the system to operate? That's half my system memory, but I might be able to swing it.

 

19.3 GB with DCS, by the way Vmware Player is mirroring ram to hard drive under linux which can cause vm stuttering. Just don't remember which file has to be moved to ramdisk to boost it.

Edited October 24, 2013 by Pepec9124

[Rhinox]

...how big is the VM image? I'm wondering if I can carve off enough system RAM to hold the VM image in memory. Say ... 8Gb "ramdisk" image, and 8Gb for the system to operate?...

VM-image (de-compressed) is at least as big as partition, where you install OS+software. I doubt you can fit Windows7 and DCS-World on 8GB partition...

[Vedexent]

19.3 GB with DCS, by the way Vmware Player is caching hard drive extremely under linux but it can be overriden by moving specific file to ram, just don't remember the name :p

 

Ouch; there's another reason to prefer *nix. Well, I don't mind long initial load times, as the server will - hopefully - be up for extended periods of time.

 

In any case, I'll have to experiment with it, and learn to tune things under VMWare.

 

Thanks for putting in the time for experimenting :)

[Pepec9124]

Ouch; there's another reason to prefer *nix. Well, I don't mind long initial load times, as the server will - hopefully - be up for extended periods of time.

 

In any case, I'll have to experiment with it, and learn to tune things under VMWare.

 

Thanks for putting in the time for experimenting :)

 

No problem, just press this little red button next my post to feed the troll :thumbup:

[SkateZilla]

Thanks Zilla.

 

 

 

Guys I made it. Vmware player can run DCS in virtual environment :pilotfly:

I knew it's best for VMs but come on, overriding Starforce ?

No need for super powerful Xeon rig :megalol:

Only downside is that it is loading long as hell but it's virtual stuff flaw. Put it on SSD or RAM and it will be rocket. Decent fps for a VM, fluid on default settings.

 

I Wonder what you did differently than others that are getting the block.

[Vedexent]

No problem, just press this little red button next my post to feed the troll :thumbup:

 

Post reported! You did mean that red button, right? ;)

[Pepec9124]

I Wonder what you did differently than others that are getting the block.

 

They were probably using older version or stuff other than vmware. Or my PC is magic :huh:

 

Post reported! You did mean that red button, right?

 

Yeah that one :lol: