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Agreed. This is what matters to me in the first place, simply because I need a certain level of performances for a given budget, I don't care AMD or Intel for as long as I got that, this time it's AMD, but if their performances had been below what I needed, I would have gone Intel. What I have seen here is a certain level of disinformation about AMD situation in regard to BIOS update, which is similar to Intel's with their i9-9900K and Z390 chipset, AMD has little to do with the choice of motherboard manufacturers to sell boards which haven't got a proper upgrade path, the B450 have it, they just require an update which is not unique to. AMD. Same for the number of cores for performances in gaming. The Ryzen 5 3600X proves that you don't need more than 6 cores to get good performances in gaming, more to it, the way they work means that they will use only 4 of them for maximum performances in Game mode or when O.Ced, shutting down two corps to lower latency while increasing the remaining corps clock speed makes sense for a gaming CPU, CPU overall performance matters not cores number. If people plans to do video editing, CAD design, 3D, they might chose CPUs with more corps than 6, for gaming, with the performances offered by the 5600X, 6 cores are enough.

Well actually, I do care, since I'm using AMD at the moment and the reason have always been budget. For a starter: Motherboard, then CPUs, then a second hand (in reality brand new) 1080 Ti 11Gb, If I had chosen the Intel solution I wouldn't have better performances ant it would have cost me £150/200 more, money better spent into the HP Reverb G2 I'm getting this month and further upgrades, including a Ryzen 5 3600X. The whole point being that with the Ryzen 5 3600X, AMD have done what they've always done for gamers, offering a cheaper solution, only this time it's on par with Intel's at a much overall lower cost when you take everything into account, PSU, motherboard, CPU, cooling solution and the capabilities of a sub-£90 board (in my case the B450 Gaming Plus Max). After a GPU failure that I replaced the previous month, I ordered these on 23/06/2020. Processor was an Athlon 400 Black edition, when I upgraded, I sold the previous device to Computer Exchange, where I got the 1080 Ti 11 GB from. For those interested here are some benchmarks for gaming that proves the point: You don't need more than 6 cores to get good results, the Ryzen 5 3600X beats CPUs with more cores more often than none and is on the heels of the i9-9900K in most games. We can expect to see the price of this CPU go down, for those on a budget it's the obvious choice for upgrade.

You visibly haven't seen the charts for the Ryzen 5 5600... > Intel i9 9900K > £350 vs AMD Ryzen 5 5600X £300: Equivalent gaming performances overall, 10% faster single corps, 10% faster dual corps, 5% faster single corp O.C, runs cooler, lower power consumption (30W less than the Ryzen 5 5600X and 3600XT and i9 9900K). To me it means that I will be able to use my actual cooler, (a very good Artic 7X ) and use a GPU with a TDP up to 30W higher than my actual 1080Ti 11GB, it won't cost me an extra penny in PSU upgrade even if i O.C it, being 30% more energy efficient and I still will have the same power output margin than today. Beat that with a i9-9900K, that's why the Ryzen 5 3600X is widely regarded as the best gaming CPU today. I don't need Youtube tech dudes to know that the Ryzen suggested by AMD for gaming doesn't use more than 4 corps, you guys keep writing B.S but have completely missed the point of those 6 corps CPU. I can read it directly from my Ryzen Master App, as a matter of fact, to access the cache at higher rate, corps are shut down and remaining corps clock are boosted, Ryzen 5 5600X is no exception, in fact, they pushed the concept even further by allowing all active corps to access the same cache simultaneously and independently, this, to reduce latency, and it works. You obviously missed this youtube techies bit, I could almost detect some degree of jealousy there, do you get less than 10K approval for your youtube lectures? And how exactly is it going to affect the way the Ryzen architecture works? They reached the same performances with less corps, where is your problem exactly? You're projecting dude, you're the opiniated and uninformed one here, and despite having more cores Intel CPUa in the same price range got left behind in terms of performances, so obviously you're plain wrong here. I call B.S on this one. I run a Ryzen 5 3600X at the moment and when I see a CPU with equivalent core speeds running games +16% faster, with 8% lower memory latency, 16% higher O.C quad-core speed, with 30W lover power consumption, I know there is something going on there that you haven't got yet. That would be what a gaming CPU is for AMD users. Talk about arrogance of a fanboy. You geezers completely missed the point of the Ryzen architecture, try to sell us CPUs with MORE corps than we need for gaming and feed us with complete B.S about how many corps the games on your list will use which is completely irrelevant to the gaming Ryzen, FACT Ryzen 5000 doesn't NEED more than 6 cores to run games as fast than the equivalent Intel CPU while costing 50 quid less, using 30W less and running cooler. Get over it. More of the same, when your finished venting hot wind on a subject (Ryzen processors and gaming) you visibly haven't studied in any form or detail, let us know. I leave the anxiety to you, If I need an opinion or advise on how to build an AMD gaming PC I know where to ask and you're obviously not on my list. Yeah like Covid 19 you brought into the conversation it's as much a risks as dying from it compared to dying from a common flue. Get real. As I said I updated my boards BIOS perhaps more often than you built your own PC and never had a file corruption, and as a matter of FACT it never was because of the CPU... Something else, the i9-9900K is compatible with the new Z390 chipset, BUT subject to a BIOS update also compatible with the older Z370 chipset, looks like the AMD situation is common with Intel's after all... Nope, as opposed to you I do my homework before writing on this forum so I knew exactly what to expect in term of possible upgrades and went for a PCI_E4 board, my board architecture is already Ryzen 5000 capable, that's the good aspect of the 450 Gaming series chipset: Socket AM4, PCI_E4, DDR4 4000/ 4133 MHz (by A-XMP OC MODE), the only missing bit will be PCI_E4 support for multi-GPU but I couldn't give a toss since I don't intend to use this solution, better get a faster GPU and it supports them too. The updated BIOS is on the pipeline for January and if people have been done by their manufacturers because they sold them boards with no PCI_E4 support or with missing bits and bobs, there is little AMD can do about it, because support for Ryzen 5000 is not coming from the chipset but the CPU itself, the board design and architecture has nothing to do with AMD. In short you fanboyz AMD bashers are p****d off because your little favorite got spanked and you are venting it out in forum writing tons of nonsense about what AMD have been doing to get there, conveniently forgetting that the Intel users face a similar situation for the i9-9900K and Z370 chipset. Reality is, we still have more ooomph for the buck than Intel/Nvidia can propose today, and to a B450 user, a BIOS update is a little price to pay to have access to the 5000 series, especially when you consider the performances and specs of the board for below £90.

For the B450 motherboard users, a few tip. 1) Don't even think of updating your BIOS before you have your hands on your new CPU. 2) Download from MSI Support website when BIOS is made available. 3) Formate your USB drive to NTFS. 4) Disconnect all Drives SATA cables, Drives power cables and dismount CPU. 4) Reset your CMOS by taking the battery out of its socket for <> 30 seconds. Full set of instructions is given on this video, watch it, you'll need to rename your CMOS file, detail is given on the video but check on your board manufacturer board before doing it. Not all B450 boards might support support PCI_E4, but apparently this doesn't prevent the possibility of an update since it comes from the CPU, not the Chipset and AMD have put their foot down to obtain this support from manufacturers. MSI 450 Series are well prepared for the update with full PCI_E4 support, DDR4 up to 4133 MHz (by A-XMP OC MODE) for the Gaming Plus Max at least (same, check your board stats) and after the update will have little trouble supporting the new AMD CPU and GPUs.

No I don't, how many games uses more than 4 cores? How many cores will Vulkan use? With the Ryzen 5000 series, AMD is right on the ball of what they've always been doing for gamers, cheaper, only this time it's also more performant. You want to do fast QAD rendering or 3D? Chose another CPU, and you'll also will preferably use another GPU than a gaming one, it's up to the user to know what they're gonna use their PC for and I'm not working in a D3 department anymore, so I don't need 12 cores. The 5600X 6 cores will do me just fine. So what? It's not the first time motherboard manufacturers publishes a BIOS update is it? Whatever the reason if there is an update, people should inform themselves, learn how to do it properly and install it, my MSI B450 GAMING PLUS MAX was never designed for the Ryzen 5000 series, but it supports Athlon to Ryzen 3000, so I have no complaint about it, quiet the opposite, because for less than £90 I have the best motherboard I can remember of and this includes some costing twice as much. Not all of them. What people needs to do is to check on their BIOS. Because you need to be a techie to flash a BIOS? I've been building my PCs since Pentium II, I guess I could apply for a job as technician, because it will not be the first BIOS I flash and update, Intel like AMD, my previous motherboard (Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 Motherboard) saw 1 BIOS updates to fix STR compatibility, if you go AMD way, 75% of the time you're one of those who build their own PCs, and I've even done it in the 3D department employing me, so a BIOS update is not a big deal. Everything requires to be done with care, flashing and updating BIOS is no more sensitive than installing a new GPU, some people will damage their hardware with static electricity or forcing one piece into slots the wrong way, some will do it with care, although I already know how to do it, I always use a checklist to flash a BIOS, including what kind of standard do I need to formate my USB to, how to check file integrity after a download etc. I wonder how many motherboards manufacturers were sold where they didn't make it a lot easier than it was previously to update a BIOS? But I'm using an MSI mid-range which is built with quality in mind so I understand that some people might have issues with BIOS flashing if their board is not designed to make it easier for them, for the info, I think I might have updated half of my motherboard BIOS and never had file corruption. Nothing to do with AMD, it's up to motherboard manufacturers to handle this part, at least AMD didn't screw people up and made update possible for X470 and B450 users. Here is a quote from Qiou87 which is more specific about the X570 and compatibility with Ryzen 5000. In short, if you have a X570 motherboard with the right BIOS it's already supporting the Ryzen 5000 serie unless it's an early release, the other board, like my B450 (- Updated AMD AGESA ComboAm4PI 1.0.0.6), make it real easy to update your BIOS compared to what it used to be...

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Good to know. https://www.amd.com/en/press-release...fastest-gaming

As a thumb rule, I prefer to have 25/20% headroom over the maximum output, before fitting a 500GB SDD I had just under 250W available, that's down to below 240 (with those future upgrades) and I have no idea how much the Reverb G2 will use. In any case I know I'll be safe but I'd rather make sure I have a margin.

Corsair TX750M 750W. But I have more upgrades to come after GPU/CPU, SDD and extra RAM, I prefer to keep a good headroom to avoid any PSU issues.

I think that to take full advantage of the RX 6000 GPU, one would need to bound them with AMD new GPU, the 9 5900X most probably... But in any case, what is apparent is that even the RX 6800 will cut it at 4K, and if you look at AMD documentation they mention all 3 cards as 4K capable. https://www.amd.com/en/graphics/amd-...rx-6000-series My next upgrade (looking at end of this month) is the HP Reverb G2, but on the pipeline is a BIOS upgrade for my motherboard (B450 GAMING PLUS MAX) and a 5000 series GPU. Then I'll make my choice of GPU based on performances I'll get from the CPU and my actual 1080Ti 11GB, at that time the full specs of the RX 6000 GPU will be known and I'll be able to compare, note that AMD give their RAM support for DDR 4 3200 which is good for me since it is the RAM I already have fitted to my motherborad, the CPU/GPU Default TDP/TDP will be important, I have above 250w margin but I don't want to push it too much at this level. Ryzen™ 9 5900X Default TDP/TDP is 105W vs 95W for my Ryzen 5 3600X, the RX 6800 has the same as my actual 1080 Ti, but the two other cards require an extra 50W and I'm planning an extra SDD and 32GB of RAM.

Good question. There are tutorials on Youtube about page files. Since your new drive has such a higher speed than your SDDs, you could set your page files on it without a deficit in speed, which is what I have done, then set them as "adjust for best performance of programs". I have roughly twice the amount of RAM set as paging files (98.304Mb), leave the minimum required of the C drive (or O.S drive).

Memory Speed 16 Gbps. Max Memory Size 16 GB. Memory Type GDDR6. Memory Interface 256-bit. Memory Bandwidth Up to 512 GB/s for all cards. https://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/amd-radeon-rx-6900-xt

You'll need more than those specs for running the G2 at its highest settings. AMD Ryzen 5 3600X, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 2080 and 32GB DDR4 3200 minimum. The problem you might have is your motherboard and support from your buses, AMD Ryzen 9 3900X or 9 3950X would be a good upgrade with existing buses standard, GeForce RTX 3070 as well. When it comes to RAM, good quality is more important than sheer speed, I'd recommend Crucial Ballistix 32GB Kit (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Desktop Gaming Memory, or Crucial Ballistix 32GB Kit (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3600 Desktop Gaming Memory (Black), whatever works best with your processor, those two kits are high performance for moderate price. https://uk.crucial.com/memory/ddr4/bl2k16g32c16u4b https://uk.crucial.com/memory/ddr4/b...u4b/ct16868388 If your motherboard can take them, the next Generation AMD GPU and CPU are a good alternative. For your question about VR with lower specs, yes, I did it with my Oculus Rift CV1 and Ryzen 3 3200 and MSI RX 5700 XT before I upgraded, but you'll got low res and low frame rate from it.

Make your mind up, either they exist or they don't, as a matter of science, you're wrong and there is no point trying to pass this conversation for a debate on the merits of religious beliefs, it's technical, well documented and I have no interest in this sort of debate. https://pc-builds.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-pc-bottlenecks/

You're mistaking religion with technical reality. Any specialist will tell you that to get the best of your system you need the best bound possible between GPU, CPU and RAM, settings won't always solve those issues, it they did, there would be no reason for techies to mention bounding and bottleneck in the first place. Setting are good for fine tuning, but useless for compensating for a weak CPU or GPU, checking proper bounding before buying solve the problem.

Memory buses and bandwidth are similar, this is not where the XT makes the difference, all 6800 uses the same 16 GB GDDR6 and 128 MB Infinity Cache, so does the 6900XT. In my case I will be more than happy with the 6800, considering that I will probably have to upgrade CPU (Ryzen 5000 after a BIOS upgrade for my B450) and memory as well (DDR4-3600), it will help keep the cost low, especially because I will be able to keep my actual 750w PSU, while providing with substantial increase in performances at 4K. https://www.amd.com/en/processors/ryzen Before considering splashing dosh in any of those cards, make sure your motherboard buses supports them as well as the CPU and RAM you'll need to get a good bound out of them, there is no point spending your money and end up with a 15% bottleneck... https://www.amd.com/en/graphics/amd-...rx-6000-series

What I have done and how I've done it. (If you're not sure what you're doing you can make copies of your folders first). Download and prepare latest installer. (I had two, Client and OpenBeta). Create a Game folder on new drive. Open your DCS folder, select/cut all of it. Paste inside Game folder on new drive, copy the files address. ex: E:\Games Start installer once the whole files are moved to new drive and select the new E:\Games address within the game folder, you don't need to reinstall fully, the installer just need to register your new folder address. If you can't see the DCS updater on your desktop, copy from game folder and paste to desktop, rename to DCS or DCS Beta, example of target E:\Games\DCS World OpenBeta\bin\DCS_updater.exe Restart. Once you've done that your game should start, check your settings and preferences as some of the might change during the process, but my games works without problem now, including recent update and new terrain and campaign.

Those are the figures for the RX 6800 since I'm aiming at mid-range rather than the top end, for the XT see AMD website. https://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/amd-radeon-rx-6800-xt

As a 1080T! 11GB user, it is the card I want to upgrade from, so I compared the specs between my EVGA GTX 1080 Ti SC2 and the RX 6800... Radeon RX 6800 will launch for $579 and go toe-to-toe with Nvidia's RTX 3070 https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/radeon-rx...dias-rtx-3070/ https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/radeon-rx...dias-rtx-3070/ EVGA GTX 1080 Ti SC2 vs Radeon RX 6800 Frequency 1556 MHz Frequency 1815 MHz Texture Rate 374.1 GTexel/s Texture Rate 505.2 GTexel/s TDP 250 W TDP 250 W Memory Size 11 GB Memory Size 16 GB Memory Type GDDR5X Memory Type GDDR6 Memory Bus 352 bit Memory Bus 256-bit Bandwidth 484.4 GB/s Bandwidth 512.0 GB/s Notes: For playing DCS, more memory and memory bandwidth are far better, that's one of my main requirements. TDP is the same, the only extra power drain would come from CPU and RAM upgrade. 131.1‬ GTexel/s Texture Rate difference between the two.

This one will do great to replace my 1080TI 11GB. Radeon RX 6800 will launch for $579 and go toe-to-toe with Nvidia's RTX 3070 https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/radeon-rx...dias-rtx-3070/ https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/radeon-rx...dias-rtx-3070/ EVGA GTX 1080 Ti SC2 vs Radeon RX 6800 Frequency 1556 MHz Frequency 1815 MHz Texture Rate 374.1 GTexel/s Texture Rate 505.2 GTexel/s TDP 250 W TDP 250 W Memory Size 11 GB Memory Size 16 GB Memory Type GDDR5X Memory Type GDDR6 Memory Bus 352 bit Memory Bus 256-bit Bandwidth 484.4 GB/s Bandwidth 512.0 GB/s Notes: For playing DCS, more memory and memory bandwidth are far better, that's one of my main requirements. TDP is the same, the only extra power drain would come from CPU and RAM upgrade. 131.1‬ GTexel/s Texture Rate difference between the two.

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Right now I'm dealing with a failing HD which takes the best part of 8 hours to transfer a single 4.67 GB M4V Video File, I'll be lucky if i can salvage the document and software I need to retrieve from it. I'm not going to touch the O.S, it's stable, I don't change what works in my systems and I prefer to keep the games and the OS separated, that's the reason why I have a dedicated disk for both. I transferred the games (DCS and DCS_Beta) and set the paging files on the new drive, but I always can move anything to a different drive at any time, during tests with Crystal DiskMark, it shows an excess of speed of about > 3000MB/sec compared to the other SSD in both READ and WRITE.

If I were you, I'll wait before splashing some dosh at a GPU, two reasons, first AMD might well be able to offer a better option than the 3080Ti in the future, if not in terms of pure performances, certainly in terms of cost. Then the performances of the GPU alone is not enough to make a choice, consider this: If your CPU and GPU are not bound properly and you can end up with a bottleneck percentage over 10%, a large part of the benefit of having a more powerful GPU is gone, not to mention RAM, you end up with more heat, more power consumption and the need for further upgrade... Check out the best bound for a GPU of your choice if you want to stick to your actual CPU or upgrade it, make sure you keep the bottleneck percentage below 10% at 4K resolution, because this is how you're gonna use your combo in VR in the future. The new mid-range GPU should be strong enough to handle DCS at 4K but to achieve this, you'll need the right CPU and RAM, compatibility with your motherboard buses are also important to check before committing to a purchase and one topic almost everyone forget to mention is good case cooling, because the more power the more heat generated so you'll need to vent all of this energy out to reach the optimum performances. https://forums.eagle.ru/forum/english/reality/pc-hardware-and-related-software/290649-upgrade-complete-happy-player#post290649 .....