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AMD Ryzen 5 5600X Tested Stock and OCed upto 4.7ghz all core and 4.95ghz single core

Your projection tricks doesn't work I'm only angry in your imagination, reason why you keep lying to players in this forum, your bunch have been doing it to people all along, the conclusions from 11:18 on this video shows just by how much. Loads of lies... Let me just sum them all up to you: FACT: Your video limits the Ryzen 5600X O.C to 4.8GHz vs 5.1GHz which is weird since Ryzen 5 5600X have been manually O.Ced at higher clocks than that, 4.8GHz is what you get with a stock cooler and it is heat limited, this sort of biased comparison doesn't stick, again you have no idea what you write when it comes to Ryzen 5600X. Those who knows can take its core clock to 4.95GHz, air cooled and I'd be surprised if some geezer in AMD forums can't come up with stable settings giving higher clock speed than that, although not by a lot. 4.8 GHz with stock cooler. FACT: We have no clue which RAM was used and RAM settings, when one knows about Ryzen 5600X, there is little credibility in the benchmark giving 10700k higher FPS, gains as high as 12% are obtained with just adding 2 more RAM modules to a Zen3, not the total quantity but to get the CPU to use them as dual ranks. Again, you need to know the Zen 3 architecture before posting videos with little information about the Ryzen CPU. FACT. 10700k is not faster, in fact it only take the advantage in bench marks and some games where it can use its 8 cores, NOT the case in DCS. https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compar...00X/4070vs4084 FACT 10700k 1, 2, 4, Cores are slower by +5%, +6%, +1% and +4%, +3%, +2% O.C. See link above. FACT: Ryzen 5600X is Much more energy efficient, 48% to be precise. See link above. FACT: Zen 3 board are available in STOCK, for MSI only 5 Chipset are Zen 3 ready out of the box, the B450 and X470 can be found for as low as below £50 and below £80 respectively TODAY. FACT: Ryzen 5600X is cheaper than 10700k, here is today's screenshot from my provider website, my own wishlist for comparison. My provider this morning, my personal account, wishlist created fore the purpose: Ryzen 5 5600X £299.99 Intel Core i7-10700K £389.99. £90 difference for an average of less than 10FPS in some game? You're kidding... Intel as cheap for equivalent performances? That's a LOT of lies to make false cases...

Sure thing, you just can't improve on CPU cooling using a laptop, so it should be much more of an issue for gaming, unless Intel laptops aren't used for gaming, are they? You're talking to someone who built his own machines in the company where he worked for use with 3DSMax and at home with CATIA, just to say, you don't really need 12 Cores to do just that, and you certainly don't need 8 Cores to play a game today, and that's a FACT. Most people like you beats the laws of physics just to sell us your favorite brand too. AGAIN, since WHEN does power output NOT translate into generated heat in your little world? My Ryzen 5 3600X runs at 42.49 MHz constant speed; pick temperature is 77.00°C, try this with your i7 10700KF. Ryzen 5 5600X runs has a 31.57% lower TDP, do your math. Typical; first denial then loads of blah to explain why you are wrong in the first place, Intel solution overall are more expensive for equivalent performances. You reply without reading, out of 5, 3 are already Zen 3 ready. X570, B550, A520. More projection here. Since my very first post I am the one debunking the opposite B.S sprouting from Intel fanboyz who try to pass a i7 10700KF for as good as a Ryzen 5 5600, I demonstrated that it wasn't from the start, the only way it runs faster is using 8 cores hotter at a higher TDP and then the comparison cannot be made, at 1, 2, 3, 4, Cores the 5600X is faster, it will also O.C faster at lower TDP and cooler. DEBUNK THIS instead of trying to rewrite books you haven't read. You're the cause of anyone being upset here if any, with your continuous denial of reality, inaccuracies if not plain lies not to mention trying to pass my post for your own X good/Y bad contest, I debunk the Intel mafia B.S that's one thing but I note that none of you have managed to prove that this i7 10700KF was faster for gaming, ran cooler, was easier and cheaper to cool and had lower TDP, you'd better try to deal with reality instead of posting lectures which are biased from the start.

First of all, I'm not on AMD payroll and I don't advertise Ryzen 5000 as Intel killers, what I have done on the other hand is to debunk the stupid stories about the equivalent Intel CPU being better, then if the question of cores and longevity bothered you, why did you buy Intel CPU when they weren't 8 core? Then remind us again how many of Intel 11gen CPU for laptop have only 4 or even 2 Cores? Out of 9 CPUs, 7 are 4 Cores, 2 are 2 Cores. Looks like Intel disagree with you. When you see that the 5600X runs cooler than the i7 10700KF with only 52% of its TDP (95°C vs 100°C max, 65W vs 125W), you understand why I feel like replying to post like these, your arguments doesn't hold, now, you would have us believe that at full load a 48% higher TDP doesn't translate into generated heat. Hilarious. Again you guys completely fail to see what the 5600X is, a gaming processor, it runs cooler, with a lower TDP which translates by less radiated heat at full load and give players on a budget more headroom when it comes to system upgrade, that's cooling and PSU for you, good luck keeping your Inter CPU as cool with the same cooling especially when O.Ced, in short, trying to compare it to an Intel equivalent is moot, there is NO Intel equivalent to the 5600X. Here I'm still tuning my Ryzen 5 3600X system at 42.49 MHz constant speed; pick temperature is 77.00°C. Arctic Freezer 13 High Performance CPU Cooler £20.99 including delivery. On the MOBO issue you're also WRONG, A520, B550, X470 are available for sale and you don't need a new motherboard at all if you're short in cash, you posh guys keep preaching for more this and more that while talking about price, that's plain funny, considering that what you advertise cost a lot more for equivalent performances in gaming than what is available to AMD players, this is not a Secretary spreadsheet forum, just to remind you. 5 different MSI chipset are fully capable of using the 5000 series, for the 2 which aren't yet, once their BIOS have been updated they will, B450-GAMING-PLUS-MAX can be found at price below £50, X470 GAMING PLUS MAX below £80 in stock NOW. You guys dismiss "cheap" as being less capable, complete B.S, we're talking gaming again... If you knew the specs of my MSI B450-GAMING-PLUS-MAX we wouldn't have this conversation in the first place, you'd be able to see how many other boards in MSI are already Zen3 capable or will be with a BIOS update and available.

Very interesting, especially when one looks at your specs and see that you ran those tests running a i9-9900K @5ghz and RTX-2080-Ti, I think I will have little trouble achieving similar performances with a Ryzen 5 5600X and Radeon 6800.

Don't worry, I think everyone understood what you wrote, my reply was added at the last minute, as I tried to explain why they were faster. Using a Ryzen 5 3600X with a GTX 1080Ti 11GB, what matters to me is the gain obtained at 4K playing DCS, not the paper data, and since I am optimizing my PC for this game and VR, if we agree that DCS is really RAM and VRAM dependent then it starts to look worth it, a 5600X won't show a huge difference on paper but yet in games it shows and to me it will make difference at 4K, another reasons are thermals, running a lot cooler also mean it won't limits its speed as often especially when O.Ced, having said that, I have a very good cooling solution and it won't be an issue. Like everyone else, i'm looking at frame rates and the best FPS possible at best settings, the Ryzen 5 5600X can help when the game is more processor dependent, like Far Cry New Dawn, this is where the 5600X makes a difference at 4K, 15.76% faster at Ultra settings, not so much in games where memory matters less but my goal here is playing DCS at best settings possible, for use of the HP Reverb G2. At 4K, when the game is memory dependent the 3600X will struggle a lot more with the same RAM and GPU, but since it is already fast it will not show this much in games where memory is less of an issue, with the 5600X AMD seems to target their usual player base and they know what they want, this is why it has less cores but performs high at 1, 2, 3, and even 4 cores O.Ced, they are designed for gaming with good performances at a reasonable price and plenty of growth potential for both O.C and the system itself, running cooler with a 65W TDP, in my case I'll have an extra 30W headroom for a GPU upgrade from my 1080Ti 11GB which is not negligible. People who wish to build a PC with higher standards than mid-range as I am might chose to go for a Ryzen 9 5900X but in my case, it is not within my budget and I think the 5600X and RX 6800 will do the job just fine for me, even if they aren't advertised as designed for 4K systems. Here the test was done with the non-X 3600 but differences between the two are quiet small.

For the users of the MSI B450, you have to know something. Only the MAX series will see their BIOS updated because they have a 32mb BIOS vs 12mb (by memory), once you've done that, your board will perform exactly the same way when it comes to support for the Zen3 and 6000 Series AMD GPUs.

They are faster. Zen 3 processors are completely different in their architecture and does not react to RAM speed the same way than the previous generation, at the end of the day, what really matter is how well your RAM is bound to the processor, not really the amount of RAM, RAM speed above 3600 is not the solution, preferred solution among experienced AMD players are 3200 MHz CL14 O.Ced to 3600 or 3600 MHz CL16 for those who doesn't want to O.C, (edited) the 3200 O.Ced to 3600 can be more performant due to lower latency depending on quality. The gain is sensible when it comes to CPU speed as well but actual benchmarks won't show you that because AMD haven't used the best combination of RAM speed/processor to get their data but according to an insider standard 3200MHz CL16, so doing one home work is advised before committing to a purchase. In short, using standard settings with unbound RAM won't work well regardless of the amount of RAM, optimizing your RAM from the time you pick it, will. https://www.thetechnoburst.com/best-...ryzen-5-5600x/ https://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/146011-amd-unleashes-zen-3-reckons-faster-gaming-core-i9/

Blah again you completely miss the point. Who gives a damned if this board is a downgraded version of another one if it has the capability of running Zen 3 and the RX 6000 with 128GB of the fastest RAM it needs to be at 100% at a fraction of the cost? FACTS: You were WRONG on the performances of the Intel system based on the i7 10700KF and you keep failing proving my points wrong, reason is, you CANT, those are solid data and there is no way around them. You were WRONG on the dependency of Zen3 on RAM speed, you obviously don't comprehend the Zen 3 architecture and the reasons why AMD made sure the Ryzen 5 5600X runs cooler at 65W vs 125W for your Intel processor. You're WRONG in your assumption that someone needs more than a simple B450-GAMING-PLUS-MAX to run most games if not all faster than your Intel solution, people might want to upgrade and go for a more expensive one but there is no need for it, it's NOT a necessity, it is a choice. So I'll say it again, even with my £99.99 board, DCS will run FASTER on my PC than on the solution you proposed based on the i7 10700KF, cooler, using less power and with plenty of growth potential on tap. End of debate.

For those interested, here is an article on best RAM speed for your Ryzen 5 5600X should you make it your processor of choice, personally I already have roamed the AMD forums and the conclusion of the players there are clear, the DDR4 3600 L16 is their pick. Best RAM for Ryzen 5 5600X Processor https://www.thetechnoburst.com/best-ram-for-ryzen-5-5600x/

Keep posting your B.S, you obviously never understood that you're taking about a different generation of Ryzen and even less comprehend what AMD stand for and it's not your biased, posh view of what players need to play DCS. It's the second time you post this stupidity about the Intel processor despite being proven wrong in the first one. Give it a rest. Sorry say again? Where did I mentioned the Tomahawk in my post apart for the MSI Z490? Official denomination is: B450-GAMING-PLUS-MAX. I invite everyone to go to MSI website and compare their respective specs: AM4, support for DDR4 3466/ 4000/ 4133 MHz (by A-XMP OC MODE), Dual Memory Channel, 4 DIMM Slots, 128 GB RAM, Gen2(PCI_E4), in short, you got everything you need to run Zen3 and the RX 6000 series once you've updated your BIOS. https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B450.../Specification Now let's be clear here since you keep missing the point: The Ryzen 5 5600X doesn't need more than DDR4 3600 to get the best out of it and this board supports 4133, Zen 3 are a lot LESS RAM dependent than the previous generation, you're wrong about this in the first place, and as I pointed out with precise figure to make my point, for gaming it is also more performant than the Intel i7 10700KF you mentioned. Not clear enough? Do you want me to post this again? Your comparison is bogus, for DCS, the Ryzen 5 5600X even with my board will run the game faster than your posh solution, produce less heat and use less power. Debunk THIS. Oh, I nearly forgot, MSI Z490 Tomahawk is a Socket 1200 motherboard.

Good luck finding a i7 10700KF for the same price than a Ryzen 5 5600X in the UK. So valid, nope, and by a margin, and what really makes the difference is the overall cost of the AMD system, including motherboard and cooling. CPU: i7 10700KF is slower at 1 Core and 2 Cores, which matters most for gaming, it's also slower 1, 2, 3, 4 Cores O.C, the only way it scores higher is when running in all Cores, its CPU Mark is lower, it runs hotter and has a higher TDP at 125W vs 65W, a difference of 48% which will translate into heat when it really matter. Which means that if you want to O.C it, you'll need more money to cool it than the Ryzen 5 5600X which I can run cooler than my Ryzen 5 3600X with an Artic Freezer 7X with a lower TDP as well, all in all the system will run cooler and leave me with 30W more power output available for a GPU upgrade with the same 750W PSU. You can brag about how Intel is so much better, in real life it isn't, far from it, and when it comes to RAM, if you're not happy with DDR4 3200 16, you can run 3600 16 with the same results than with lower latency RAM, I already tested my 3200 16 at 3600 without any problem. Motherboard: There is little in terms of specs that an MSI Z490 Tomahawk will do more than a B450 GAMING PLUS MAX at anything from £40 to £70 more, a brand new B450 GAMING PLUS MAX cost as little as £55, £44.99 lower than I paid for mine, that's £80 to £110 less than the MSI Z490 Tomahawk. Then you keep talking about expensive RAM but you don't mention the support for the RAM in question and why it cost you up to 55% extra to get that, frankly, I'm happy I don't have to upgrade my Motherboard, specs for specs, for £99.99, it's way better value than an MSI Z490 Tomahawk. In short you chose a niche, pull false data and conclude wrongly that the AMD processor is not as good when in fact it targets players with a lot more awareness than your average, those who look for best value for money, aren't bothered with 8 cores when they know that to play DCS they only need half that, knows that the gain for lower latency RAM at higher RAM speed is negligible and are not ready to upgrade PSU and cooler to run Intel for lower overall performances at higher cost. In short, with what I know and the time I intend to use my system (after upgrade are completed), I wouldn't splash an extra £140 to £180 into a MSI Z490 Tomahawk, especially not an Intel for all the reason stated above, right now, after a free BIOS upgrade, I'll have a system able to run the CPU and GPU I plan to purchase at lower cost and without the trouble of seeing my growth potential limited because the whole thing needs more cooling and power. Instead I'd wait until I get the BIOS and purchase a MSI B450M PRO-M2 MAX, because I don't need more than this and it has all the features I need to fit a Zen 3 and amd 6800xt without any performance penalty, including RAM, people might want a newer motherboard, that's their choice I won't try to dissuade them. Don't argue with AMD users if you don't know what you're writing.

I'm using these, got them for £129.59, tested them with proper BIOS setting up to 3600 with very little gain (AMD Ryzen 5 3600X), but I'm very pleased with them so far, good quality. https://uk.crucial.com/memory/ddr4/bl2k16g32c16u4b

100%. I experienced this first hand and I spent years tweaking the Home Edition with every crack in the book, the core is rotten. Finally I resorted to swapping to Windows 10 Pro. I suggested Corsair (mine is a Corsair TX750M 750W Semi Modular Gold Certified) but also doing some home work, the reason why I chose Corsair is because I saw some testers at CEX using one for their bench and he was happy with it, plus it was relatively cheap at £92.99, that's roughly £45 cheaper than a Focus PX-750 750W 80+ Platinum.

I believe that the CV 2 has better optics and slightly higher resolution, playing the CV1 is like playing with your nose on the screen, you see the grills real big and they are intrusive, you can't really read labels and depending on lighting condition, you also can struggle with buttons and knobs. I chose to buy it as entry-level for VR because it was new at below half the price (I'm good at finding good deals but it takes a lot of shopping around), now I look forward to my G2, it should be another level, but it will also mean that I'll push my system to its limits, I'm lucky both my CPU and GPUs are good at O.C, they might have to do for a while, I upgraded my case and fans for this reason, my cooling solution is very good. RAM upgrade will come last, what matters most is to find which RAM suits your CPU the best, it's not always the fastest RAM which works the fastest with a given CPU, there too it takes research work, read articles and watch videos on the subject. One simple trick to improve your PC performances is setting up page files, your O.S need a given amount of memory to keep running while you're playing games, if you allocate page files properly to it, it will make itself sparse, otherwise it can eat up on your RAM and if you don't have much of it, you will notice. Personally, I chose to install a 500GB SSD and use it exclusively for gaming, since it is way faster than my other disk, I have my page files set on it; 98304Mb. Same for PC maintenance, I clean mine everyday with Gary Utility Pro, it saves a lot of space and the PC runs smoother anyway. In short, take care of your PC like of a high performance motorcycle... I completely forgot. I had loads of trouble with Windows 10 Home Edition when it comes to memory management, it is p*** poor, things got a lot better after I swap for Windows 10 Pro, but still, there is nothing running in the background that I don't need, setting up your O.S for apps running from start up is important, they can slow down Windows by a fair amount, there are tutorials to set up windows 10 for gaming on Youtube.

If you're happy with the visual you got with your system in VR, it doesn't change much to your problem, RAM store the data, but it is the processor that crunches the numbers, the faster, the better, you might want to sort your page files as well, if you have more than one partition, set your page file on a different partition than your O.S, typically twice the RAM size, allocated to programs (not to background apps). I use a CV1 too but after the initial wow! effect of playing VR for the first time, I'm looking at better, I can't spend so much time leaning over to read a label or see a switch in the middle of a mission, so I ordered a CV2. If you want to improve your system, you have two choices; Cram as much power on your actual motherboard with GPU and CPU upgrade as you can, without forgetting to check how much power you get out of your PSU first. Second option; start buying parts for an upgrade in several increments (which is what I have done), same as above, you'll need minimum 650W out of your PSU and that's NOT negotiable nor does it mean maximum output, it means CONTINUOUS output, manufacturer-guaranteed continuous output make sure it delivers at full load, so you don't experience HD and other component failures that are gonna cost you a lot more than the extra dosh they can cost. Intel/AMD is your choice, what you feel the most comfortable with, I don't know Intel so much since their standard have changed since the time I had one, but there are plenty of players who can advise you on motherboards and CPUs, when it comes to AMD, pretty much the same except that they seems more players oriented and offer good performances at slightly lower cost, if you go for Intel make sure you have good cooling, the Intel systems run hotter. https://forums.eagle.ru/forum/englis...yer#post290649 CORSAIR is one PSU manufacturer I know delivers, although I do not know for the 650W, I use a Corsair TX750M 750W for reference. Continuous power 750 Watts, you might want to shop around and figure if you can find anything cheaper offering the same performances in terms of Continuous power output, if you go for the lowest, your growth potential will be limited by the PSU, this includes CPU and GPU future upgrades. https://www.corsair.com/uk/en/Catego...tab-tech-specs In my case, I still use my Ryzen 5 3600X, which is very good but lags behind in terms of performances when compared to the next generation of CPUs, since I have to wait for my motherboard BIOS update to use those, I'm still learning about them, but my choice would be a reasonably priced CPU, starting with the Ryzen 5 5600X. To replace my GEFORCE GTX 1080Ti 11GB I'll be looking at the MSI Radeon RX 6800 XT GAMING X 16GB, the make is my choice due to the fact that I have an account with them, use a MSI motherboard and mouse. In short, I managed to build a mid-range PC with good VR capabilities at a reasonable price but I'm still looking at the possibility of having to upgrade further because I want to play DCS with the best settings possible. This will depends on the performance of what I have now when I got my HP Reverb G2, right now, using my CV1 it is just marginally enough for mid/high settings. What I know is that for full-specs VR, my system is still limited, and another 32GB of RAM is not going to help that much. The links I posted are there for guidance, I can't advise you further than that, start by looking at PSU/motherboard and standard compatibility before committing to a purchase, you can buy second hand (wisely) if it is advantageous (like a 2080Ti) etc.

Same here, that's how I know, I experienced HD failure with a bad quality PSU in the past, but no indication of under-voltage from the GPU.

You can't expect much improvement from simply increasing RAM with those specs in VR but even if you can't spend much money there are ways to get there or there about, you'll need to provide us with more infos, which motherboard, BIOS and RAM speed would be useful. You are below the minimum specs for VR. Realistically, you'll need 4.00GHz CPU and a 1080 Ti 11GB to get a relatively average performance in VR. First of all you need the right motherboard, so it is important that you check your board specifications to see if it can take the gear you intend to purchase, I use AMD at the moment, mine cost me £99.99, is excellent for the price, with BIOS upgrade in the pipeline it will support the next generation of AMD GPU/CPUs, but even with Intel, go for the right bus Gen2(PCI_E4), and if you're lucky you might not need a new board, just an upgraded BIOS. Good 1080Ti can be found online, new at low cost or second hand if you're strapped for cash, the Ryzen 5 3600X I run is marginal in power compared to newer CPUs but adequate in most case for VR when pitted with a good GPU and the EVGA GEFORCE GTX 1080Ti 11GB is probably the best, I insist on 11GB, the more VRAM, the better. My CPU is still 25 to 36% faster than yours so GPU like CPU need upgrading to get reasonable performances in VR. My RAM is DDR4-3200, I use Crucial kits they are really good and relatively cheap, more RAM is good but the right RAM speed is better (bound with CPU) and in any case it is the CPU speed which will be your problem. https://uk.crucial.com/memory/ddr4/bl2k16g32c16u4b https://forums.eagle.ru/forum/englis...are#post286745

He would have other issues long before the GPU gives any sign of being under-volted, like HD failure...

I taught about it but opted not to go with them, I had trouble lately with Amazon, I ordered a case and ended up with 3 of them, all of which were charged, so at the end of the day, my account was badly overdrawn for as long as the courier company hadn't received those cases back and agreed for the refund. Seriously, I'll hesitate to spend this sort of money with them in the future. My provider has some available from orders taken now scheduled for delivery before end of year... https://systemactive.co.uk/online/hp-reverb-g2/

Same here, but since I only can upgrade step by step every month, I learned to be patient, in any case I don't mind upgrading my GPU before getting the G2, I'm waiting on MSI to release their RX 6800 XT if the price is right, otherwise I'll go for the RX 6800...

Well they already started, from December 1rst apparently, a least from my provider in the UK. I preordered without controllers. https://systemactive.co.uk/online/hp-reverb-g2/

Coming from an Oculus Rift CV1 it will do just nicely...

Ryzen 5000 CPU support for older AMD motherboards has begun rolling out ahead of schedule By Paul Lilly 5 days ago ASRock is first out of the gate, and Asus will follow suit in a couple of weeks.

Not necessarily. All you need to run a 5000 SERIES is the right BIOS, I don't need a new board, in fact, I don't want a new board, I paid £99.99 for my MSI B450 GAMING PLUS MAX, it's by far the best motherboard I ever used in 20 years of building my own PCs, if you look at its specs, you'll understand, all it will miss after the BIOS update is CrossFire or SLI. For the rest, AM4 Socket, support for DDR 4000/ 4133 MHz (by A-XMP OC MODE), 128 GB RAM, Gen3(PCI_E1), Gen2(PCI_E4). How do I need a new board?