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in the meantime i think im going to try using this solution as I have a spare PC just beside the one I use.. http://pw-developer.com/soft_dcs_mfd.html since the data will be drawn by another PC, and the DCS resolution will be virtual and will not include any real extra monitor, it should fix my issue, temporarily. I am a bit scared about the 25frames per second exported on the MFDS, especially in FLIR and other 3D application, but at least my game should remain smooth and I can benefit from using the nice winwing monitors.

I will do that asap. but I am facing my own issues at the moment, so I am not even starting playing with the UFC, unfortunately but what is strange is what DCS is showing. seems a dcs bug rather than a UFC one

It would be a shame though because I really like my Samsung 49” ultra wide. it’s resolution is still 3840x1089 (HD) so it isn’t a hog on performance either i have forced my main monitor to be capped at 120hz (through the monitor menu, not windows) but it hasn’t helped unfortunately. very nice pit btw !

I have not tried only 1 wining monitor at a time included in the DCS resolution. will try that next.

Thanks for the answers guys. It is helpful and comforting having the impression of not facing this all alone yes, I have ran dcs on all monitors with SimAppPro completely off and even with the export lines in the export.lua removed. it is still stutters and not smooth. and that is because a 60hz refresh rate makes any game less smooth than a monitor at 120 or 144hz. on the contrary I have ran DCS on my main monitor at 144hz, with that monitor resolution only, with sim app pro launched and the export working, and it’s buttery smooth at at a 144hz refresh rate. running DCS on my main monitor only at 60hz with no winwing monitor connected is stuttery and not smooth as well. Just the same as running my main monitor at 120 or 144hz with the small winwing monitors included in the DCS resolution. What happens is that DCS then goes to the refresh rate of the smaller refresh rate included. And DCS in 60hz is stuttery and not smooth like it is in 144hz. Especially with speed when you look on the side. Especially with a ultra wide monitor. I knew this used to be a problem in the past and it forced me to buy a second monitor in 144h for my exports a couple years ago. what bothers me a little is that this very question was specifically asked in the Winwing Q&A about the MIP and they said this was not as issue anymore. So i assumed they had fixed the issue while using usb monitors or something by but apparently this isn’t the case. That’s my main complaint. I will be waiting for feedbacks from others, but if there isn’t a fix I will have to buy a bigger monitor in 144hz for my exports and adapt a solution to placate the winwing bezels on it and NOT USE the winwing monitors at all. kinda shame because they look nice and work well. But they being 60hz and forcing everything else in 60hz is a big issue. And according to winwing it was fixed. Ps , I am running a EVGA 3090 and a Intel I9 at 5ghz with 32gb of ram.

As I wrote before sim app pro is not in question, nor is the export. I can run sim app pro and the export lines in the export.lua as long as my DCs resolution only include my main monitor and not the winwing monitors, the game is butter smooth. I can even play with the UFC and the UFC displays are working- all is fine and smooth Even though the winwing monitor are plugged and active in windows. But As soon as those winwing monitors are included in the DCS whole resolution, then the stutters appears and smoothness is gone. I will try but I a almost 100% sure this is refresh rate related and not cpu bound- because without the monitors included in the full dcs resolution, but still having the ufc working and it’s displays working, all is fine thanks to both of you with your input. much appreciated. Until other people get this stuff and I have something to compare, i am a bit at loss. I dont know if this frame rate issue only exists in windows 10 and not windows 11

makes me think of somethign related here

I am now about 100% sure this issue comes from refresh rates that are different. and a bit bummed at the moment. I am torn in between displaying the MFDs with no smoothness, or no MFDs with a buttersmooth experience. the impression I get is that the 60hz monitors from winwing are capping everything to 60hz. thing is, if you havent have played at 120 or 144hz before, you wouldnt really realise I will wait for someone to confirm how it is for them. but to notice the difference they will have to also run a 1 screen monitor setup with only their main screen resolution, and compared both

I believe you mark. So maybe its just an issue with MY hardware, depending on the simulator. Or maybe windows 10 doesnt manage that well compare to lets say 11.. I dont know. But, sorry to say that Mark but it is wrong to say you cant see the diff from 60 to 120fps. Of course the human eye can detect the difference between 60 fps or 120 fps on a computer, because these are average. I can even detect the difference in between 90 or 120.. over 120 it become harder, of course. without entering in too many details, you can detect it because your 60 fps isnt one image every 1/60th of a second perfectly. Its an average.. it can be 1 image in 30/60th of a second and 59 images in 30/60th of a second afterward.. In which case it will still be 60FPS AVERAGE, BUT you eye will have detected the slowing down and stuttering. That's why the MORE FPS the better as it always feel/looks like. more real and smoother. Yes, thank you. I have tried your suggestion, to no avail, unfortunately. I put the MFDS in windows on the side, below, in a square etc. No changes, I have also tried a LOT of different things. I have set my main monitor to 120FPS, both in the monitor menu setting, and in windows. No change. What is noticeable is that the mere presence of them extra monitors in windows doesnt change anything per se, as if I load a Monitor setup of 1 screen (DCS 3d) with only the resolution of the main monitor, while keeping sim app open, and the winwing Export.LUA lines that export the MFDs (meaning both the CPU and graphic card are working on it) its still butter smooth. But I soon as DCS start using the main monitor in conjuction with the MIP monitors, the feeling of smoothness is totally gone. it feels jaggy or stuttery. FPS dont change all that much, its just the feeling that is kinda bad to be honest. Especially when you go to smooth to stuttery. I could probably get used to it, but its a shame. This was my main fear before purchasing the MIP, but the answer of Sidney in the Winwing Q&A session kinda conviced me they had solved the issue.

Cant increase the small ones to 120. but I can reduce to main one to 120 from 144hz. this is what i did, but didnt notice any difference. Also, my Vsync is always off. hot using any Gsync freesync etc. but will double check. thanks

still using my old RS FSSB1 R1 from Real Simulator for the Viper, so i am keeping a close eye on this.

oh ok. but at 60hz your fps are capped at 60 anyway.. so I suspect what you deem perfect is what I feel stuttery, after being used to the smoothness of playing at 120fps.. even though your counter shows more than 60fps, if you are playing with 60hz monitor, you arent seeing more than 60. at 7.45 in this video is exactly the point that was made. I hope winwing understood the question and answered accordingly.

I will try this. Thanks a lot ! My only fear is that this doesnt come from a resolution standpoint, but from a refresh rate standpoint. I was hoping this wouldnt be an issue because the question was specifically asked in the Winwing Q&A and confirmed to NOT be an issue, but fact is, it is for me right now. Do you know more about all your monitors refresh rate ? I am affraid that if someone had the issue from the get go, and never had it smooth as it should properly be, maybe they would miss it

not tried. will try 120hz. good idea EDIT: nice try. No change though, unfortunately.

Let me preface this post saying that this is in no way a criticism of Winwing hardware or anything of the kind. I am merely trying to understand the issue, trying to figure out if it comes from my hardware or drivers, or if this could be a settings issue. Let me explain the situation. Previously I was using 2 monitors. One main monitor for DCS 3d (3840x1080) and a second monitor (1920x1080) for the export of my 3 MFDS.. both monitors were set up side by side in windows, with a 144hz Refresh rate for both and the coordinates for the exports were made accordingly in the monitorsetup.lua file. All was working fine. In the FA/18C free flight mission caucasus, I am getting around 120fps in the configuration. After I installed the MIP, I have now a different setup in windows. One main screen for DCS 3d 8stil 3840x1080) and 3 more 1024x768 monitors on the side. The main screen has a refresh rate of 144hz and the small monitors where I export the MFDs have a 60hz refresh rate (that you cannot increase) . The issue is that now even though I get around 110fps (the whole resolution is now a tad bigger after all) the 3d images in DCS feel WAY less smooth. it more stuttery, especially when looking to the sides (3 or 9 o'clock) compared to my previous set up. Giving it more like a 60fps feeling. I remember winwing stating that the 60hz monitors wouldnt create such issue in on of their videos when a customer raised concerns. But I also remember having the same kind of troubles in the past before I bought a 144hz (instead of 120hz) for my second monitor. I would like to add that this difference is NOT CAUSED by SimAppPro because I have turned it off for the tests, and also, I removed any Winwing Export from the Export.lua file. This seems exclusively caused by the presence of the 3 monitors (or just one) from the MIP. I can also revert to the previous setup with my older second monitor, and it gets smooth again. Anyone having an idea of what could be causing that ? Any fix to this that would come to mind ? Honestly, the difference is noticeable. I feel bad having something stuttery despite running it from a 3090...

interesting. Yes, this is how I ran my previous install.. A flat screen with IFEI and RWR + 3 mfds

Honestly I don’t mind seeing the cables. This is not a solution for a full realism cockpit more like a semi realist one. I personally would have favored possibilities to replace thrustmasters mfds to increase my customer base. and yes the all around carefree is what I bought. But it has advantages and downsides. That’s why in my comment I put “negative” with “ “ . more like something you need to be aware of than negative per se

That you could. But with the thrustmaster panel you could simply stick 3 of them on a a standard monitor. No need for the monitor to be smaller than the edge of the bezel I have already put the clamp there but I’ll try to find a way to show you

Thanks for this . what a moron. I never saw the tabs on top

Well, all works now. I restored the Export.lua the Only thing creating problem now is sim app pro needing like 5-10min to show all the devices and being usable. 5am here. Gonna go get some sleep and finish tomorrow. Thanks a lot for all your support Prestonflying !

Would you please copy your export.lua line for winwing ? I have the old one, and i am not sure it is still working properly. local wwtlfs=require('lfs');dofile(wwtlfs.writedir()..'Scripts/wwt/wwtExport.lua') currently all my MIPs (all 7 USBs) plugged into the same USB powered HUB, while my Orion and TO and Combat panel are on another one. I can try splitting the MIP over 2 different ones though, see if it changes anything. Thanks for your help again. I just browsed you big topic and already change the : Change `_winwing.interval=0.03` to `_winwing.interval=0.10` to try to improve FPS. I notice that the whoe game is a bit less smooth than before, even though FPS seem to be in the same ballpark approx...

my buttons works fine (not bound into DCS yet though). what i dont get from the UFC is the digital displays showing freq etc. aside from having the winwing line into the export.lua, anything else you did ? my other issue is that it takes forever for sim app pro to show all my devices in there.. DO you have this issue ?

Everything works, BUT, the numbers in the UFC. I see you did not manage to get the numbers to input into the UFC either, correct ? wonder what we are missing

nevermind. Winwin sim app pro created all the good coordinates and sizes of screens. Now I just have to copy them to my old file !

good news. drivers work ! Thank you ! Now, ive tried the winwing solution to activate but it isnt working too well. I think im just gonna create my new monitor setup again, and export all my MFDS to the right place like I used to do before. That will also allow me to have other planes displays displayed such as the F-14 or even the F-5 !