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You're going to get this reaction til the problem is fixed, Just telling us to stop whining isn't gonna work. As it stands, It would appear ED Leadership didn't see an issue with what happened with the F-5 Competition if thats the response we're going with.

Like others said, Im not holding my breath on it if we're getting another F-5E Remaster, a pretty plane that is nigh impossible to skin because someone decided to punish the community instead of accepting reality of the situation.

I suppose we have our answer Gents null

@NineLine do we have any updates on getting MV access or at least a solution to this issue?

exactly this. I think my PC might actually catch fire if I tried my MV workflow with the full game running I didn't even know Roblox was still a thing... let alone the game engine being capable of handling a model from DCS.

And as others have already noted: What you've implemented already isn't secure. Anyone or company dedicated enough is going to break your Encryption and get your models. All ED has managed with this change is to punish the community creators who weren't the problem in the first place. So in short: You still will have this problem, while Also alienating your fanbase. Which seems to me to be a lose-lose proposition. But like I said before, All the answers we've gotten in this thread scream that ED isn't willing to budge on the issue and perhaps this has just been a Sisyphean effort.

Explain then what we are talking about then? Cause I thought we were here talking about the fact ED isn't letting us use the tool expressly made for this stuff, and then when we complain we're told to use a method that doesn't really work for what we are being asked to do. But maybe I walked into the My Little Pony thread and missed it... Applejack is clearly best pony in that case.

OK i'll break it down. Programmers use Integrated Development Environments, thats your IntelliJ, Eclipse, Visual Studio, etc. With these IDE's, we can (Generally) compile code, catch syntax errors, and do half a dozen other basic functions fairly easily. This is analogous to Model Viewer, where we can reload skin changes on the fly, get master luas and UV Unwraps, and have near total control of viewing the model. What you have presented to us as a "Solution", is instead of using the IDE Tool that does everything we really need to do our Programming (Or in this case artistry) job, is to use Notepad. is it theoretically Possible to write a game on the scale of DCS in Notepad and then use a compiler? Absolutely. Would your programmers probably throw a conniption fit of biblical proportions if you told them to do that? Yeah. I'd bet my entire years salary on that one. If that doesn't make sense I'll be happy to rephrase it.

Maybe Nineline can pass this example on to the higher ups. Can you write all of the game's code without the support of an IDE? Sure, theres compilers that you can feed text files into and spit out executable machine-code. Does writing code with an IDE make your life way easier? Also yes. Thats model-viewer for us. It doesn't make us good skinners, but it certainly helps us actually do our ""jobs"". Look Mom, I'm a Pro! This is what I told you when I dropped out of 11th Grade English! I honestly don't care about the F-5E in this particular instance, I care about what this whole Encryption and ED's reaction to our ire has been. We have a tool, a good tool, but We're no longer allowed to use said tool for reasons that, as others have noted, removing use of the tool will do 0 to actually stop. I'd love to work on the upcoming F-15C, F-35, Maybe the MiG if i'm feeling frisky enough, but the way things stand, It won't be worth the headache.

absolutely this

Well seems clear to me ED doesn't want to handle this in any amount of good faith, Not sure what I expected. We have done all that you've asked in this thread and others, you ignored us. That's why we're here now.

Then you guys shouldn't be doing a competition at all until this is resolved. Simple as that. Right now, it looks like ED Wants us to do the leg work, then we should be at least given a modicum of support on our end to actually be able to do it.

Absolutely in the same boat. Its been real but the lack of help we've been getting from ED (And I'm being extremely generous with that phrasing) has more or less pushed me out of this hobby entirely. Been real but I think this is where im done.

Im pretty sure most of the work we see that isn't through HB's Rivet Counters or a handful of other third parties community skinners are all done through SP. I know the F-15E "Just use Substance Painter" was the handwaved excuse for the issues we had with skinning that model. " Do they really expect us to magically scooby doo the camouflages or airshow team liveries without any instruction or support?" I believe the answer to that question is 'yes' given the recent change in how ED is handling the community skinners. Between this and the Heavy Metal update's locking down of assets (And credit to dudes like Scorch who have the patience of saints when it comes to sussing out that Lua file), I am personally not holding my breath on future ED content being community modifiable. You will take your Clark Air Base SEA skin and you will like it.

Except instead of punishing those at fault, you're punishing those of us who do work. I get obviously you personally are just the messenger, and understand these aren't aimed at you, but maybe convey to the powers at be what they're doing does have a negative impact on the mod community that, according to Wag's last video, you value greatly. We're getting two different messages here.

this is a total misunderstanding of the problem. We can't even support this F-5E even if we wanted to, and even the Heavy Metal stuff was pulling teeth to the point I doubt you'll see a lot of movement on that front either. Livery Competitions are great as long as we can actually work on the item itself.

lol, thats not fair when you're one of the greats already I really do not hope for a "Paid livery" DLC down the road, just a broken mindset that not even other sims would stoop to

Wags said on an interview with CW Lemoin it was a purposeful action to encrypt the new files because (and Im paraphrasing) "people were stealing our models" (paraphrased)

some progress I suppose. Im still no closer in my guess-checking for the AF60 removal. None of this lua makes sense

scoop the real MVP today

yeah I was more looking for the Args on how to adjust the borts for the B-52 for example, as well as the Pilot stuff. At least the baseline is good to use

Hey skinners, Looking to see if anyone's figured out the rest of the Lua Callouts on the recently updated B-52/B-1 stuff. What I figured out myself was entirely for the B-1 with the following: {"B_1_B_pilot_01", 0,"low_B_1_B_pilot_00_B",true}; --Pilot flying {"B_1_B_pilot_02", 0,"low_B_1_B_pilot_01_B",true}; -- Pilot not-flying {"pilot_F15_patch", 0 ,"pilot_f15_patch",false}; looking to see if anyone else had luck, Expecially with the BUFF. it looks to me that theres a lot of Arg callouts and since these models dont play nice with the Modelviewer, any cheat-sheet would be welcome

CVN-69 is the best we can do. take it or leave it.

I suppose I'll throw my lot into this competition as well. This is based on the Mi-24D used in the Soviet film "Charged with Death", released in 1991. While the United States Coast Guard to the best of my knowledge never flew the Mi-24, the Soviet film makers used a Hind in the movie (likely to simulate the then-new MH-60 used by the USCG) I figured it met a fun middle ground between a 'What if', and an odd ball historic livery that the aircraft did use at one point in its long Soviet service (never in any 'official' military capacity I can find; however, details on the movie are not easy to find this side of the world outside of IMDB) Currently its awaiting upload authorization for User-files, so when that occurs I'll update with a download link. Download Link https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3341005/

This is a joke right? You haven't done anything on the map for a year, and accuse your customers if overreacting when you remove a part of a product they paid for? Really? I suppose we can expect the fix in 2026 too