Hatman335

Have you actually read the response to the FOIA request pertaining the D manual supplement?

They are making a German variant so personally I wouldn't read too much into what the Spanish Air Force did or didn't do.

Offset bombing mode might be a bit niche, but based on Rolf Stünkel's 10PT interview, doing convetional radar bombing with the aircraft is a tactically valid option. As for whether it's a fighter bomber or interceptor variant, I think the ground speed deviation indicator is implying a fighter bomber variant.

Man, I have no idea how I missed that, I'm blind. Thank you.

Just because their previous two aircraft have been based on Spanish models doesn't automatically mean that their next one is also going to be based on a Spanish variant. According to this website: https://www.i-f-s.nl/squadrons-spanish-air-force/ the Spanish F-104s were officially withdrawn from service in 1972. It's a fairly reasonable assumption that a manual dated 1969 with the latest change in 1973 would be applicable here. This is further supported by the fact that on the very cover of the manual, the Spanish Air Force's roundel is being listed and it's clearly said to be a common manual, intended for use by all the European nations that fly the aircraft. The Spanish were also flying the MAP variant of the G, and this variant is described in the manual. The publication also states that (and I'm paraphrasing here) the actual location of the various elements and switches may be different between nations, but the functions of the controls would be the same. Therefore, it's very reasonable to assume that the MAP variant depicted by this manual would be the one that Spain used, at least in terms of functionality. And yet neither the radar panel nor the radar display is matching that. It also has the ground speed deviation indicator, which is listed to be an ECP 2015 item. Is that something that's applicable to the Spanish G? This is all well supported speculation, not necessarily concrete evidence, but without having any actual evidence to the contrary (such as Aerges commenting on it, seeing the cockpit of a Spanish 104G, comments by SMEs who were in the Spanish Air Force at the time etc.), it's perfectly reasonable to assume that they are making a German variant. And your counterargument that Aerges is a Spanish team thus they must be modelling a Spanish variant cannot be supported by any sort of empirical evidence. A Spanish team, with a history of making Spanish aircraft could very easily decide to change their approach with this aircraft for a wide variety of potential reasons. I have no idea what you are talking about here honestly. Who is making these modules? Why are they relevant to the F-104G by Aerges?

Based on what evidence?

As far as I know, Aerges hasn't discussed anything regarding the specific subvariant or expected list of capabilities yet, so I thought it would be interesting to discuss what we can expect based on what we know so far. I have compiled a set of pictures that compare the showcased in game cockpit with real cockpits, I uploaded this to a separate imgur folder to avoid cluttering the post with so many images: https://imgur.com/a/AGtmoji Before I start the rest of the discussion, I have one very important question/request: can anyone find any pictures of the cockpit of the Spanish variant of the G model? I've looked a lot but I haven't managed to find a single picture or video. With that out of the way, let's look at the pictures and try to figure out which variant it's matching. I have access to the combined T/F/RF-104 -1 and -34 (dated 1973 and 1975), which cover various countries, including Spain and Germany in a single, combined publication. There are also 4 subvariants that are described in the publications; MAP, consortium and ECP 2015 and 2012 modifications. The consortium and MAP variants are, as far as I can tell refer to where the actual aircraft have been manufactured, either license built by the European consortium or provided by the US under the military aid program. The differences between these two variants are slight variations of switchology. As for the ECP 2012 and 2015 modifications, those are somewhat more relevant, since these change the functionality of the radar and implement additional capabilities. ECP 2012 is referred to as the interceptor variant and ECP 2015 as the fighter bomber variant, the former has a B scope and the latter has offset radar bombing capabilities, the ability to set a desired ground speed and get indications for the deviation from that ground speed. The Aerges cockpit doesn't match either of these variants perfectly (at least as they are described in the manuals I have access to), the radar control panel is different and the radar display also has slight differences. However, it does match available photos and videos of the cockpit of the German F-104G, aside from the fact that the ground speed selector panel may be missing, but the ground speed error indicator is present. (It could also be obscured due to the angles shown in the video.) Since, we do know that the Germans made modifications on their aircraft even into the late 70s, it's feasible that the discrepancy between the manuals and the photos is due to the fact that they were modelling it off of a modified German aircraft. So the questions that I have is will the aircraft be: -modelled off of a German variant post 1975? -equipped with ECM? -utilizing the M-2 bombing computer, the Lear dual timer or something different entirely? -able to use the Kormoran missile? Sources: https://www.aviaspotter.it/2020-uno-spillone-a-volandia/?lang=en https://www.916-starfighter.de/F-104_LCC_WorldwideF-104program.pdf https://www.916-starfighter.de/F-104_MAP_F-104manual_LCC1963.PDF https://www.916-starfighter.de/EuropeanProduction_FlightInternational_03.1963.PDF https://www.916-starfighter.de/Large/2191.htm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkw1N332zDI T/R/F-104 -1 and -34 Siegfried Wache, Flugzeuge der Bundeswehr

There is nothing classified on the UH-60M aside from the usual stuff that doesn't really pertain to DCS like countermeasure performance, etc.

UH-60 teaser is what I expect or perhaps the Germany map.

If I had to baselessly speculate, I'd expect it around 2027/28 and the A-6 sometime in the next decade.

Kate Perederko's latest comment on the Eurofighter (taken from the Russian language channel of the ED Discord) would indicate that we definitely need to be more patient before expecting any updates. I'll provide a DeepL translation of the screenshot. If you put this together with Nick Grey's earlier comment that stated: From these quotes, I think it's safe to conclude that while the Eurofighter is certainly going to happen, it's probably taking longer than expected (which isn't a surprise if we consider the scope of the project and HB's well known attention to detail and committment to quality) and it may take a long time before we even see any actual updates, let alone the module itself.

Just to be extra clear, is the error that my test has shown the intended value or not?

This issue is not limited to JDAMs, we need to figure out why this apparent discrepancy between the intended and the measured accuracy exists. In fact this mostly affects system deliveries with unguided weapons.

I've also done two tests and the offset can definitely reach up the 200~ feet range.

Okay, so if I understand everything correctly, that level of drift would be highly unusual and only due to some kind of extreme factor. I assume that normal dynamic flying would not be sufficient to cause that level of error, therefore if all works well, OP should see a better accuracy/lower error value than this.