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Nice brochures. What determines whether a fighter can be classified as a 4+ generation? To me its gotta be fitted out for NCW.

OS X wannabies!

Yes every day! It's a pain in the ass! Look at the size of the fine Boeing received for selling the Wedgetail radar to Aus, 500 milllion!! The state department is nutso!! makes you wonder though, you can have JSF but not the 22 mmmm.

its true. just do a search :)

I don't understand how the government can just say we're buying JSFs, why aren't all the normal procurement processes being followed. ie here's our requirements, receive the tender submissions and then select the best aircaft! Heck it may be JSF or F-22 with UCAVs for the dirty work who knows ...

Love these vids ED should be dropping you guys some freebies. Haven't flown for ages but it makes me look forward to BS or the next game.

http://mpegarchive.abc.net.au/reslib/200702/r126640_413590.mp3

Have they actually flown together yet.

maybe we need a duty cycle time hehe, switch it on/off on/off then a red light shows up on your dash, followed by an amraam in your mirror.

WHAAAT, ppl be smoking a bit too much tonight? :joystick:

As long as the next sim does better :) Whether it's an F-18, Mig29 or F15E :)

Same, I'm slowly expunging windows from my life :)

Is it some day yet wags!! :)

Those ranges were for an AWACS platform. RCS is just one of a many parameters that predict the radar range performance. That's why the Mig-35 brochure quoted headon tail on/tail on performance using a fixed RCS value. See here http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LANCER/idr00012.htm Not too far off :P a normal single pulse radar algorithm may use:- SNR, peak rms transmitter power, antenna direction gain, rx antenna area, RCS, range to tgt, system load factor to determine the probabilty of detection for the given range/rcs values. Pulse doppler radar adds may more parameters to those and most equation will determine the probability of detection using a random number for the RCS value. Also phased array radars can improve the detection performance over traditional pulse doppler radars for small RCS tgts (for the same antenna area and tx power) by spending more scan time to filter out the clutter from the side-lobes, etc. A tgt trying to beam will still be seen if the seen on a modern radar if the power is greater than received clutter even with no doppler shift.

Now I"m with you, I was more interested in the RCS values though, didn't know the F-15C and SU-27 were so large.

Well according to EADS "METEOR’s ramjet propulsion system provides no escape zones in excess of 100 km and speeds of more than Mach 4. Even when launched from extreme stand-off ranges, the missile has the energy in the end game to defeat fast and manoeuvring targets. To ensure total target destruction, the missile is equipped with both proximity and impact fuses and a fragmentation warhead that is detonated at the optimum point to maximise lethality. "

I"ll see if I can find the article on the web if not I'll scan it. Speaking of fictional, :book: I've been tralling the web for RCS info and obviously there's not much info around, however F-16.net had a thread with some interesting numbers with a semi crediable source. I have no idea how accurate they are but it would be interesting comparing the theoretical detection ranges for radars modeled in Lockon with the RCS values below. Might crunch the numbers this weekend. ============================================= http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-3018-start-30.html You're right. However, if both aircraft have AWACS and GCI control help, none will be able to surprise the other thanks to its lower RCS. WAP, 1999, a special report for EF-2000. A: According to the information I know, the modern AWACSs today like E-2C Hawkeye 2000 and E-3C are capable to the detect the target of RCS = 1m2 class 250~300 km away. And their maximal effective detection range to the fighters in the world should be: F-15C & Su-27 (RCS = 10~15m2): 450 ~ 600 km Tornado (RCS = 8 m2): 420 ~ 500 km MIG-29 (RCS = 5 m2): 370 ~ 450 km F/A-18C (RCS = 3 m2): 330 ~ 395 km F-16C (RCS = 1.2 m2): 260 ~ 310 km JAS39 (RCS = 0.5 m2): 210 ~ 250 km Su-47 (RCS = 0.3 m2): 185 ~ 220 km Rafale (RCS = 0.1~0.2 m2): 140 ~ 200 km F-18E (RCS = 0.1 m2): 140 ~ 170 km MIG-42 (RCS = 0.1 m2): 140 ~ 170 km EF2K (RCS = 0.05~0.1 m2): 120 ~ 170 km F-35A (RCS = 0.0015 m2): 50 ~ 60 km F/A-22 (RCS < or = 0.0002~0.0005 m2): < or = 30 ~ 45 km Even the tradional fighters (F-15, F-16) have the modern AWACS on their side, the stealthy fighter like F/A-22 with AIM-120 is still capable to give them the big surprise. As for the low RCS NG fighters like EF-2000, MIG-42, and Rafale, if they are equipped with the NG BVRAAM like Meteor (Effective range: 90~100 km+ to the 9G maneuverable fighter, and 150~200 km+ to the big, slow and clumsy airplanes like AWACS...) and R-77M-PD (Maximal effective range: 160 km+), I think they also have certain amount of chance to give tradional fighters + modern AWACS today a surprise.... ==============================================

Those arguments are a bit useless no, you could almost certainly apply them all to the JSF! I vote for a few F-15Es and JSFs :) or better still wait for the next stealth bomber :thumbup:

wow nice, have you seen this, ps check out the catch at 1.20. I've done that in a decathalon, damn cards from my wallet went everywhere. Cheers AT

http://www.air-attack.com/news/news_article/2345/US-rules-out-F-22-Sale-to-Australia.html

Sorry had it confused with anohter radar where Janes had reported 80nm detection range for a 0.02m2 or 0.08m2 tgt. Thought it was the mig-35 must have been the SU-30.

No head on, thought that would be the detection range for a 1m2 tgt.

Oh that's nice mikoriad.

I think it was from patricks.

And mine