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I upvote this :thumbup:

I think all the p-47 used the 130 octane fuel but could use the lower grade in continental US (was 95?) for training only. Obviously with the limitations that this fuel imposed. Later in the war came the posibility of the 150octanes.

Excellent! Muchas gracias compi! :thumbup:

Would you also have to earn your right for deciding your amount of fuel or your external stores? Would you have to earn your right to decide when and where to fly? Harmonisation was changed in rl and like the other options there is nothing wrong on letting the virtual pilot decide how to. Unless we decide to implement a true chain of command where you only fly when and where you are told. With the fuel and armament you have been given and obviously ban the virtual pilot for choosing any of those at all in the sim. I think that harmonisation should be an option as well. Obviosly, subjected to availability of time and resources to implement it.

I know was eastern front and VVS. It was, that hypotheticaly, could have been used. 9th and 12th AFs met LW during all 44 (and 45) in good quantities and with good results. Specially if using the right team tactics.

P-47M at 2800hp sustained about 20m/s at S/L down to 18m/s at 22000. Still short of what other allies and, mainly, the opposition where doing in 1945. In terms of suitability for eastern front I do not agree it wasn´t suitable (in a wide sense). 9th AF was using it very effectively below 10000ft in the western front. I think, that in general, the niche and use of the Jug was different from the standar of the VVS (mainly a combination of il2 and nimble fighters).

The P-47 should had lower mach number (at least until the -N). The VNE was around 500 mph IAS but lower at the height increase. The main atributes of the jug in the dive was the phenomenal acceleration and very good control up to the critical mach number. But one had to be careful with speed and angle of dive as diving too steeply could lead into a irrecuparable situation.

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At 64-65 inches the jug will be producing 2550-2600 hp. Not an insignificant increase.

Never seen this rating for the -M. Always "only" the 72" and 2800hp. Where did you find it?

I have red about this test too but that was done on a lab. Not inside of a plane in flight. Nevertheless truly tells you about how tough the R-2800 was. I red another interesting story about the toughness of the R-2800; A Jug pilot was asked by his crew chief whether he would consider having an extra boost of power at the risk of blowing up the engine. Basically the crew chief would pull the stops on the turbo off and that way the pilot would have 90-100 inches of mercury instead of the normal 52 of his Jug. Although only for about 30 second before the whole engine would blow up. The pilot (who retrospectively said he was young and stupid at that time) said, hell yes! Some missions later this Pilot (Lt Col Donal Bryan of 352nd FG) found himself in a pickle when after having shot down a 110 on the deck was bounced by 190s head on. In a normal Jug he would have been meat on the table for the FWs. But with his new settings, after the merge, he hit his extra power and was able to get to the cloud base, that that day was at 8000ft, leaving the 190s behind :pilotfly:. Again doesn´t prove anything about safe settings for the 2800 but tells you the 2800 was anything but a weak engine.

AFAIK that only happened with the series C engine in both the -M and -N versions.

Or just covering Patton army´s flank on style.

That is why I posted earlier it would be good they clarify this. I am elucubrating that maybe there would be a new bussines model in wich different eras would come as independent purchasing options as we have now maps and modules. Something like: ww2, korea, vietnam, 70-80s, 90s-2000 units packs. Different maps of different eras. Diferent modules. So in order to play say ww2 scenario you more likely have to purchase your ww2 unit pack, your favourite planes and ww2 map. Probably with every now and then bundle offers for maps/units/aircraft.

That would mean the merlin in the spit run hotter at the higher boosts compared to the mustang?

In the case of the Jug I think the 9th and 12th AF used the 100/130oct while only the the 8th used the 150oct. By the time it was in use (second half of 44) only the 56th, 78th, 353rd and 356th were still using the jugs. And only the 56th keeping them for 1945. There were 13FG in the 9th using the jug and similar number in the 12th. I think 64hg would be appropriate as main options although 70"Hg would be a good option to simulate the 8thAF ones.

I think that the weird feeling is that I do not see anyone buying the new units without buying the map (at least do not see the logic). Unless this is is a new business model in wich the modern era is kind of a demo but anything else has a price. Do not see the problem in that but if that is the case would be nice if developers explain this new business model.

I think they should have only offered the full package at the full price. I don´t really see the point on a ww2 era map without any ww2 era units.

AFAIK they use the 64"Hg on the D-30 with the -59 and normal fuel. They didn´t cut back any power. The units with the 8th likely would be using the 150octanes fuel at 70"Hg. As with any other aircraft there were mix of different batches with different power ratings. I remember seeing razorback in some units at The Bulge that prob would be using the 56"Hg In any case, when is extra 300hp useless for ground attack?

Yes it is the module being developed by VEAO.

Then, in my opinion, your view of what air combat is about is quite narrow. A mustang could and will use those 15kph speed advantage in the right circumstances. You forgot that a mustang can accelerate as fast or faster than a 109 in the dive and can build up speed very rapidly. Basically what you are doing is considering the mustang will fight the same way that a 109. A good mustang pilot will always maintain a high speed approach to combat that way. In that situation having a 15kph advantage will let him maintain any gap and increase it further if the situation demand it. Obviously depending on the circumstances and specially if caught low or slow those 15kph would mean little. Don't forget about the Spit XIV and the Tempest. Specially the former is faster, climb equally or better and turns at least the same. Only dives worse. And does this on average from SL up to its combat ceiling.

Well, to me 15kph is not that "hardly significant". For a mustang would mean that the pony would be able to disengage. The difference in manoeuvrability wouldn't be that important as a mustang shouldn't get involved in close dogfight with a 109 in any case For the spit would hardly change much. 15kph on your side is always welcome. Obviously a lighter 109 would be more tricky to dogfight with.

Excellent, thanks Yo-yo. Yesterday I did a couple of quick tests and got similar results as Krupi. The interesting part is that even if the consumption was too high the fact I was measuring it put my previous impressions in perspective. It lasts more than I was thinking. Still you have to judiciously set your engine to get the miles you need. Again, DCS modelling is superb.

That is exactly the feeling. The first "half" of the tank lasts more or less as you would expect (depending on circumstances) but it the second half that really vaporizes in front of your eyes.

Yes, I have the impression that DCS Spit burns fuel quite rapidly. Specially when you get the bottom tank with its last 37 gallons they seems to go away at a surprising fast pace. According to Spitfire IX pilot notes at 2650rpm/+7boost (good cruising speed) the plane will use 80gal/h. That is about slightly below half an hour before running out of fuel. At 3000rpm/+15 boost (combat settings) fuel would last about 17minutes. Obviously that figures can vary depending on circumstances with height and use of supercharger. The think is that everytime I see the fuel getting in to the last 37gls I have to seriously think about coming back to base in the next 10minutes. I haven't done any test so I could be wrong but the feeling is clear.