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Im not the expert...its you...all i do is showing you cases which makes me cruious and skeptic but same time interested....therefore i ask YOU to help me understanding those results. Im sure there is way more about their works and results once looked for, but i can not sum it up in scientific fashion for you in order to make a state-affair out of it.....what you can do is go into that stuff...see what you understand from...

http://www.icehouse.net/john1/intro.html This pretty much sums it up, and confirms Kashes explanations of Dark-, Anti- and Matter , and "Potentials or Loads"....not fully, but comes close to his extractions.

Podkletnov-Experiment ( in his case. sorry its german but understandable) for the others i will have to sum up ...takes a while

Thats exactly what those guys achieved - if you dig deeper you will see why. Ok i dont call it "free" energy....because thats a delicate use of word here...it cant be free...it must come from somewhere....but that is what made those experiments mind-buggling in first case. There are parralles to call it "vaccum energy" or ZPE or magnetic soup..whatever....fact is.....the results they achieve make NO sense...in no way .....not in any way we know....but YET it works.. exaclty that is why i said........hold on a second...we can not explain it, so how we should proof it ? :huh: ...but the results are infront of our noses.

wich one? bedini, searl or potletknow....is all cases i can give you cases what instution (university, science lab etc etc) at which time re-made same experiment with results. You wanna?

there is no such thing as anti-gravity, but you might be able to achieve a balanced system in terms of equal forces. Hallo? thought you study QM? PS: furthermore if you would mind reading more into searls work, you would have realized that gravity effects where side-effects of his work, but the main application was the achievement of "overunity" ..well bad explained...but look again, then you know

Ok i see you havent bothered to read or to research fully

Explain me the result of Eugene Podkletnov SCIENTISTS in Finland are about to reveal details of the world's first anti-gravity device. Measuring about 12in across, the device is said to reduce significantly the weight of anything suspended over it. The claim - which has been rigorously examined by scientists, and is due to appear in a physics journal next month -- could spark a technological revolution. By combatting gravity, the most ubiquitous force in the universe, everything from transport to power generation could be transformed. The Sunday Telegraph has learned that Nasa, the American space agency, is taking the claims seriously, and is funding research into how the anti- gravity effect could be turned into a means of flight. The researchers at the Tampere University of Technology in Finland, who discovered the effect, say it could form the heart of a new power source, in which it is used to drive fluids past electricity-generating turbines. Other uses seem limited only by the imagination: Lifts in buildings could be replaced by devices built into the ground. People wanting to go up would simply activate the anti-gravity device - making themselves weightless - and with a gentle push ascend to the floor they want. Space-travel would bitcome routine, as all the expense and danger of rocket technology is geared towards combatting the Earth's gravitation pull. By using the devices to raise fluids against gravity, and then conventional gravity to pull them back to earth against electricity-generating turbines, the devices could also revolutionise power generation. According to Dr Eugene Podkletnov, who led the research, the discovery was accidental. It emerged during routine work on so-called "superconductivity", the ability of some materials to lose their electrical resistance at very low temperatures. The team was carrying out tests on a rapidly spinning disc of superconducting ceramic suspended in the magnetic field of three electric coils, all enclosed in a low-temperature vessel called a cryostat. "One of my friends came in and he was smoking his pipe," Dr Podkletnov said. "He put some smoke over the cryostat and we saw that the smoke was going to the ceiling all the time. It was amazing - we couldn't explain it." Tests showed a small drop in the weight of objects placed over the device, as if it were shielding the object from the effects of gravity - an effect deemed impossible by most scientists. "We thought it might be a mistake," Dr Podkletnov said, "but we have taken every precaution." Yet the bizarre effects persisted. The team found that even the air pressure vertically above the device dropped slightly, with the effect detectable directly above the device on every floor of the laboratory. In recent years, many so-called "anti-gravity" devices have been put forward by both amateur and professional scientists, and all have been scorned by the establishment. What makes this latest claim different is that it has survived intense scrutiny by sceptical, independent experts, and has been accepted for publication by the Journal of Physics - D: Applied Physics, published by Britain's Institute of Physics. Even so, most scientists will not feel comfortable with the idea of anti-gravity until other teams repeat the experiments. Some scientists suspect the anti-gravity effect is a long-sought side-effect of Einstein's general theory of relativity, by which spinning objects can distort gravity. Until now it was thought the effect would be far too small to measure in the laboratory. However, Dr Ning Li, a senior research scientist at the University of Alabama, said that the atoms inside superconductors may magnify the effect enormously. Her research is funded by Nasa's Marshall Space Flight centre at Huntsville, Alabama, and Whitt Brantley, the chief of Advanced Concepts Office there, said: "We're taking a look at it, because if we don't, we'll never know." The Finnish team is already expanding its programme, to see if it can amplify the anti-gravity effect. In its latest experiments, the team has measured a two per cent drop in the weight of objects suspended over the device - and double that if one device is suspended over another. If the team can increase the effect substantially, the commercial implications are enormous. More you can find by yourself, but last thing i know is that is went "duck" working for NASA now...if that is correct what i read I saw an LaB test with him on vid, but cant find it......sorry

Im stuipid...but im willing to learn explain me his results http://www.searlsolution.com/index.html

Im stuipid...but im willing to learn explain me his results http://johnbedini.net/john34/bedinibearden.html

Im very very well aware of that fact X-man. I know the laws of thermo-dynamics and many more. Im also aware of specific constants in the nature etc etc........saying....my background is not totally stupid. But still, i ask myself really hard, what makes us so sure, that those LAWS are not only true in regards to our whole observation ..i ask....what if there are things we dont know yet ...what will shake our system? You know what im saying......? Yes, till noone proofes otherwise, it will remain as it is....but who, or which IDIOT in the world would go out and question things, proofed to be right over generations? OMG :huh: ahaaa :smilewink:

Dude, you say it for yourself..... first Newton laws, then GR, SR and QM and now M-theory, string theory ..the glorious 11th dimesions which added the missing link etc etc etc.... But did you know that we traveled space with wrong calculations, disoverd not long time ago......a crucial element of science was proofen wrong.....those are models.....theories.....approaches to describe or to capture things going on in nature.....but they are not absolute absolute in every conditions.....every scientist knows that...and yet you resist so hard on things just because you read few lines here and there more then me, maybe not........you take those things as "gods words" and you try to argue with them vs me...where every scientist knows...that some laws apply very practically in certain conditions but fail bigtime in others..... Due to that fact i keep my mind open and yes i also phantasize in fields, but that what defines discovery.... All you do is saying me ...science did this and that...you dont have to tell me that..i know it myself and can read up myself ....and guess what....i believe such sources more then you, even you just quote them truly ;)... Thats not the point....you all here think.....AS said 2+2=5 and you all start making a huge protest demo..not realizing for a fractions of a second "what is this guys trying to say..or what way is he thinking". You defend positions where there is no attack.......what is it? Fear, that someone will destroy your religion? i dont get it...

You know X-man, i dont care about scientists which knowledge ends on borders achieved by others. Those are good for practical use in LABs. You know in 1910 you wouldnt have get a job if you would come along with the idea to "bend" light. Your boss would have shown you the door as nut-case, yet 9 years later it was proofen..... It is way to easy to quote established science and sit or hide behind it, in order to "be right". It does not matter if im stuipid in your eyes or not - those who know me, know im not, therefore.......i wish you also a good realistic day, but be carefull with using phantasie....it could rock your boat to much.

:smartass: Arguing with you is like standing infront of a soup-pot toghether in the kitchen. Both cooks could achieve awesome yamm yamm, but yet they fail bussy arguing about the recipe

No sentense in the world could have closed our discussion better then this one. Respect !

Actually, if they would take me and you right now from the spot here and put us infront of an audience, asking us both about Einstein, you would fail BIGTIME. I already presented a lecture about him, his life and his work infront of audience ;) ...whatever...oh yeah..now i cant resist asking ...what degree in science you do actually really have =? :music_whistling:

I have the greatness to admit with you in proofen science! Nothing easier then that. You have the lack "to think beyond" things....to discover... you are a "REAL" scientist ! Only Einstein was so "stuipid" to question TIME at his time ...and as far you are not Einstein neither stuipid :megalol: we cant proceed this discussion. Speaking of which, TIME runs in my favour here ;)

Lets suppose for a second - now lets really phanatasize - i would really be able to show you proof of something tremendous important. You really think, i would do that for free in a flightsim forum just for the sake of arguing with a homeboy arcadian? :) I showed you the door.....you must go through....not me.. Bye GG

Im not even angry at you...not a second....but i know you havent digged into fields i have, coming from same standpoints. Maybe one day you will change your mind or start questioning things you believed to be absolute. Im not sure, but for us this discussion ends here.....reason why ...its not constructive . Bye GG

You know, you are messing something very crucial up here....for you this debate resovles in "who is smarter". But actually, even though i would be happy to see your degree in what ever, its not about that question. As i can see you canT catch up the bigger picture in that whole discussion, what showed me already your degree of inteligence (im not talking about knowledge)......therefore im very amused, but i dont wanna make fun about you, that would be bad attitude. As i said...go your way...i go mine... You really think you know everything relying on QM and published proven science=? cmon..that attitude i had with 12 arguing vs my father ...lol

Why i should proof anything to someone, who most probably doesn´t even understand himself :lol: Dude, lets stop this....you go your way...i go mine...and all is fine.....im sure we both have a destination somehwere.

If you would just stop for second questioning my ability to understand physics or quantum-mechanics and you would go and look in your own fundaments, maybe you would discover questions and answers what would even make you say WOW :music_whistling: You know what 4 is, but i know what 2+2 is ....if you can catch the bridge here... ;) .

here i smile, because i doubt that QM is your "god"

I came to the conclussion, that it is absolutly unimportant if i convince you, or you me. It wont change the world. Neither what you believe or know, or what your thinking apparatus is based on to convince itself or to maintain its own status of explanation. Man, i am a rational thinking person as you are, and truly not a "dreamer". And maybe its also due to the fact, that i lived moments or/and expierienced things what none of your mighthy QM theories can explain. Also its not my job to turn into a deadheadstreet-preecher...but... But what i know, is what i know. To quote Matrix: all i can do is showing you the door, but you must pass for yourself....but in order to so, you must ask question, question things you believed before....dig in wholes you dont suspect to be successful finding anything.......this is what differs me from you. To understand you, i dont need to listen to you. All it takes is to open the books. Approved Science is easy to quote, and if it would come to comparsions, i would prefer a approved book rather then your opinion....yet i like to trigger your phantasie.... All i can say this, to suit your statepoint better.... Those "unusual" or "unexplainable" experiments have been done for you already....its up to you and science to explain it. Not up to them to rewrite science just to confirm their own excistence !! Its science what is challanged ...not the phenomons job to proof human understanding of nature wrong. Have fun too PS: monopols are known for decades, even though a model to explain them was missing. Some new understandings handle that topic very logic and beautifull.

Back in early years Edward Leedskalnin's claimed, that there is no such thing like electrons or atoms (core) and this model is very unaccurate in terms of understanding the "forces" interacting in the way they do. He desciribed in his early simple ways how he understands Poles interacting with eachother explaining polarity and matter and gravity. Surely his traces and works are very faint, just few applications of his works produce still "unlogic" phaszinating results.... more can be read here http://www.leedskalnin.com/ or in further topic-related posts over google. Whatsoever, nowadays things become more define and more clear....following very similar approaches in that concept i discovered Keshes works...what are very interesting. His works can be read up, in terms of official backup from respected instutions...(that part you have to do for yourself...im already asking myself if i should share anything at all to a very ignorant acting folk, but i do..) Interview: http://www.mevio.com/episode/166406/FEN_090720 Homepage: http://www.keshespace.com/ http://keshefoundation.com/home.html