foxbat155

Yes, for Czechoslovakia....

Not really... You mistaken few thing here. Poland during signing a contract for SU-22M4 delivery didn't intended use of those aircrafts as a recce platforms. Situation changed after withdrawal from service Su-20R, Air Force decided to modify 7 aircrafts to use recce pods (bort numbers 3508, 3306, 8205, 3304, 9615, 3816, 3920). Here was a problem, Poland had KKR-1, the oldest variant of this recce pods family, originally intended for Su-17M2 aircrafts. Su-22M4 had originally only KKR-1TE-54 pod(Soviet aircrafts were able to carry at least 7 variants of KKR pods) which was different in few details from old KKR-1. In order to use those old pods on the Su-22M4 was needed to do some modifications, pod's power/communication cables need to be connect a bit different way compare to KKR-1TE-54, new cable connection fairing need to be done and new type of control panel in a cockpit (Poland didn't had them at all). All mods were done locally in a service workshops. All serial Su-22M4 were ready to hung original KKR-1TE-54 pod, here on the photo lugs (green circle) for pod suspending and cable connector door (red circle), you can clearly read "KKR" description, photo shows underbelly of a aircraft bort number 3216 which never carried KKR pod during service in PolAF: Here photo of the same part of aircraft number 3620:

Quote from tire-strut suspension model development report: "As an example of the model’s accuracy, the main wheel of the Mi-38 (a variant of the Mi-8) was taken as a reference." Mi-38 a variant of Mi-8?. Are you serious guys?. This level of accuracy reveals a complete lack of accuracy.....

Photoshop, this is Romanian Air Force MiG-29A, serial number 2960535404. Those aircrafts are still rotting over there, you can check on the Google Earth. https://www.google.pl/maps/place/Mihail+Kog%C4%83lniceanu,+Rumunia/@44.3574172,28.478535,2669m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x40ba8a30a9018359:0xee3fc8b301356e39!8m2!3d44.3701439!4d28.4652673!16s%2Fm%2F02861x5?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTIxMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

That's ok, please keep in mind, that my intention wasn't lecture you. Yes, you right, kind of mental shortcut.

Like I written before, HuAF were called those aircrafts officially MiG-29B, do you think they were doing this for joke? Here official page of Hungarian Armed Forces: https://honvedelem.hu/hatter/multidezo/in-memoriam-racz-zsolt.html Repulomuzeum Szolnok, official HuAF museum (in the middle of the page): https://www.repulomuzeum.hu/Tikuldtetek/BartaEndre/BE_katasztr/BE_katasztr.htm For me this is enough evidence. About IFF, Hungarian aircrafts have oridinary old SRZO-2M system what is typical for this export variant (MiG-29B), original Warsaw Pact MiG-29A aircrafts have mix of Parol/SRO-2 systems, similar to early Soviet MiG-29's. This is easy to recognize: beside KOLS sensor you have triple SRO-2 antenna, under fuselage between A-037 radalt antennas you have triangle orange (or very rare green) Parol system antenna.

Hungarian Wikipedia: https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magyar_Légierő Hungarian air shows always describes those aircrafts as a 29B: Photo portals described them as a 29B aswell: https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/11160372 https://www.airliners.net/photo/Hungary-Air-Force/Mikoyan-Gurevich-MiG-29B/5250897/L?qsp=eJxtjbEOwjAMRP/FcxbUFoVsdGGEgR%2BwHAORShvZHlpV/XdCKjGxnd473a1A02g8233JDAGUUegFDjIKvhXCCpiEBB/Woybaa953nfuJC48s/xWEpvXtyYFOYv1SDiIan4k4G0fY%2BVUiy1exUn1%2Blp1DCSy3mqE5Fh6T5gHrBhumAbbtA/fsPro%3D https://www.planephotos.net/photo/18859/Mikoyan-Gurevich-MiG-29B_18/....

Well, Hungarian Air Force called them MiG-29B (9.12B).....Yefim Gordon, although great publisher, made many small mistakes in his books.

Hungarian aircrafts were 9.12B model.

You right, search antennas block unit spins with a speed of 80 revolutions per minute, this gives 360 degrees swept every 0.75 seconds ( 60:80=.75 ). Of course when the target is on the radar level, return signal is given by both antennas and then the position of the target symbol on the screen should be refreshed every 0.35 sec. My mistake.

Su-17/22M4 was fully multitasking variant, there is no specified versions like M4R or M4P, aircrafts were wired for all equipment, only depending on tasks, pod with recce or SEAD equipment can be hang under fuselage or wings and some panels inside cockpit need to be changed. Here we go, photo of Soviet and East German aircrafts with KKR pod, under front part of fuselage you can see (red arrow) antennas which were used for programming SEAD missile's guindance head before launch. Of course aircraft cannot use KKR pod and SEAD pod at the same time. Su-17M4 from first serial aircraft was able use TV guided weapon and had TV monitor fiited in the cockpit, export Su-22M4 had simmilar capability from 30th production series, before that in place of monitor was mounted a dummy panel. Warsaw Pact countries were training nuclear attack very often with use of IAB-500 imitation bomb. 17/22M4 never carried RN-24 nuke, only RN-28 on the beginning and after her withdrawn from use in mid 80's there were RN-40 and RN-42. Every Su-22M4 was able drop a nuclear bomb, place of service wasn't important, aircraft had weapon computer with several modes, toss mode can be used for any type of free fall bombs not only nuclear one, everything what is needed is a input of ballistic values into computer memory. Only special type of equipment required for A bomb were special "nuclear" BD3-56FHM pylons, rest of weapon system is standard for all types of bombs.

Don't be offended only because MiG-17F didn't had R-3S missiles. This is still great aircraft, just achieve good result will be a bit harder, more training, more tacticts, more thinking. Source of my knowledge? Books, manuals, photographs and ability to critical thinking. We living in times were you can find a lot of content on the internet but unfortunately many of those is just a rubbish. If you cannot find info confirmation in the form of photo evidence, that means most likely info is fake. You don't have to trust me, you can dig on your own. Long story short, I have not seen any manual which says about missiles, no russian/english language book mention about that, there is no photo which are able prove that. Only exception are those few Cuban MiG-17 sans suffixe.

Well, looks like you have to choose sources more carefully. First of all, "new Soviet MiG-17" didn't exist in 1964 because production of this aircraft was stopped generally in USSR in 1957 (altough in 1960 was produced extra 40 aircrafts for special order, 38 MiG-17F and 2 MiG-17PF, 1958 - 0, 1959 - 0) , from half of 1955 in production was exclusivelly F variant and her derivatives (PF, PFU ). In 1952 works were started over fighter-bomber variant, there was at least 5 prototypes with different pylons and weapons layout. Finaly 170 aircrafts was produced as quite simple variant with additional pylon located between main landing gear and external fuel tank station: This variant didn't had dedicated name. Later in late 60's idea of fighter-bomber MiG-17 back. In 1969 prototype was built but due of few mishaps she conduct first flight in 1972. Aircraft got modified BD3-60-21 pylons borrowed from MiG-21, about 150 MiG-17/MiG-17F aircrafts were rebuld to this standard. Official name in VVS documents was MiG-17AS, no matter on which variant based on, 17 or 17F: Now look on the Cuban aircraft. Do you see differences? Conclusion is very simple, Cubans got used aircrafts from Soviet Union, and those aircrafts were rebuilt into fighter-bomber variant locally. It is rather certain they got Soviet help in that matter, firstly because they didn't had own aircraft production/modification experience, second Cuban solution is very ressemble to one of Soviet fighter-bomber prototypes, only pylons were moved more outward from the axis of the aircraft: From modified aircrafts, Cubans were adapted few of them to use R-3S missiles, how many? Hard to say but looks like no more like 10 aircrafts were modified, Soviet aircrafts wasn't able use them. I think, source of most confiusions is a fact that with the time all fighter-bomber variants were start called AS in many books. Other thing, many people believe that Soviet production aircrafts, Chinese aircrafts, or Polish, Czech production are the same, but unfortunately is not. In module we will have MiG-17F and those aircrafts never had any AAM. DCS is a simulation game, developers choosed one variant with all cons and pros. Demanding some never existed frankensteins is wrong.

Nope, we will get MiG-17F and this variant never had any AAM missiles, Cuban aircrafts were MiG-17 sans suffixe, they couldn't have AS variant because this machine...... didn't exist in 1964. AS was created in half of 70's and there is no proof that was exported anyware outside USRR. AS wasn't "from factory", all of them were rebuilt old aircrafts from survived MiG-17 or MiG-17F. Here you can see all possible external stores variants for AS wariant: About R-3S, only part which was reverse engieneered was IR seeker, construction is almost identical with only increased field of view, rest is almost completely different, engine size and fuel, rollerons different construction, rollerons bloking system which don't exist in original AIM, completely new gas generator, front rudders control system had different layout, 4 impact fuses added (no on AIM), Soviet missile is longer about 4 cm. Original R-3 missile which was exact copy of original AIM-9B was produced only in low number for test, first real serial variant was improved R-3S (K-13A). Of course without Sidewinder R-3S could never materialized but cannot be called reverse engieenered due amount of changes and massive improve of capabilites. "Inspired by" or "based on" is a proper claim.

I have bad news for you. 99,9% MiG-17/MiG-17F never had ability to carry R-3S missile. Only few locally modified cuban MiG-17 sans suffixe were equipped with those. Other thing is that R-3S in not reverse copy of AIM-9B Sidewinder, this is independent Soviet construction based on ideas borrowed from Sidewinder.