FlankerNation

NOPE Those of you who are suggesting me buying a Joystick and TrackIR can ..... well you know what. And most of you don't get it. Experience experience and experience ... i don't want that experience and i m fine with current experience which I already kick butt of those who have professional sticks. So: 1. I want the answer from the ED team. 2. Its my choice to play with keyboard and ED made an option in this Sim to play with keyboard unless there is a reason behind changing the legacy flight keyboard controls method to force the user's to buy the joystick. 3. Please don't post on this thread if your are suggesting me to change my way because this is not the solution I am asking. If Su27 PFM or the F15c Eagle has the same keyboard flight control as the Su33, Su25t and the Mig29s would be a big help to fly these AFM or PFM Modules. Where the controls are like these: A. Rudder : Press keys Z and X to Yaw or Steer left and right and when upon release its auto center itself.:thumbup: B. Roll: Press <-- Left Arrow Key and --> Right Arrow Key to roll and when upon release its auto center itself.:thumbup: C. Finally the main game changer and kicking the you know what of those flying with the professional sticks is; Press Up and Down Arrow Keys and when upon release IT SHOULD NOT AUTO CENTER ITSELF but stays there and user can manually center it with UP/DOWN arrow keys. The solution is soooo Simple, go back the way (FC2 Style) the we use to control the planes with the old Keyboard flight controls. Its not rocket science to understand. 4. For All of those who are using TrackIR and and Professional sim joystick I challenge you a 5 Heat Match on Multiplayer with me and then we will see who will play the Electronic Piano Keyboard in their Funeral ;)

I have once made a thread for the Eagle also regarding this. But ED have done the same mistake that they did with the Eagle. Again, I m flying since 1996 with keyboard, not just flying but a hell of a Dog fighter. I started with ED first title Flanker 1.5 dos version and since then never touched a stick. Well, I did once but the experience was not good at all but with keyboard... MooWAH ! Anyway, let me describe what is the current problem with Su27 PFM is compare to the old method of keyboard flight controls that ED used to or still have with the Su25t, Mig29/S/A/G, Su33 and the su25 which as follows: 1. In the Su27 PFM when you pitch full aft back and you release the down arrow key the pitch doesn't stay there but automatically comes 50% forward. It's good it is not auto centering itself but it shouldn't also not come 50% forward, when leave it full aft back it should stay there. Now some of you suggest this an AFM thing then please this nothing to do with the flight dynamics because in the real life if the pilot want hold the stick full aft back then hold it there so it should be there. 2. I fly the Su25t also and keyboard flight controls on that rocks :gun_smilie: as for su33 and Mig29/S/A/G. When i want pull the stick back with the arrow down key and want leave it in a particular position it stays there ! not jumping up and down by itself. So please ED change the keyboard flight control method back to the old one. This is not concern to the AFM or in real life pilots sticks don't force their hand to move in certain positions. If not clear then I will be posting a youtube video and a track file to further explain this problem. Thank You.

Nope Historical possessing ... no way man than why we are have mig21bis or even a DCS F-18 (super hornet or normal hornet). Your argument does not make any sense. Let it be DCS F35 A, Let it be DCS F15SE ... so let it Su27x family in DCS WORLD. This is nothing to do with representative of their parent air forces inventory as a whole. We have Typhoon and others in the pipeline so why not the modern flankers ? Algeria have modern Flankers and as Raptide mention India has 200+ MKI and many other nations have also. Regardless of who is America's enemy is or not.... you are suggesting is DCS WORLD modeled more are around the Favor of USA Airforce ? Really ? With PFM Eagle Dynamics gave a opportunity or open the door to us Military SIM pilots to experience vary of jets we love to fly. As much I love to see Modern Flankers, Let it be Tornados, Mirages, Grippens. Really DCS WORLD is nothing to do with this theory Adding new Jets representative of their parent air forces inventory as a whole.

Agreed :thumbup:

Agreed Agreed he could have used CAC or HM mode in later stages. Just wanted show how he was detecting the targets in earlier stages. Anyway, we all know in DCS World Eagles has the advantages. Even if you put two best arm chair pilots one in Eagle and one in Flanker, in DCS World the kill ratio will go for Eagle of 1:3. Very rare cases if the Eagle pilots makes a mistake you will have 1:2 or 1:1. That's why we need later generations Flanker's. Atleast SM or SM2 and just imagine if had the DCS Su35s... it will be banger :drunk:

Flanker Live Forever Glad this thread is alive still... Sad so many got banned taking the side of the FLANKER... And now finally we are seen DCS Su27s releasing soon shortly. I once said in this thread regarding a flight model of SFM FC3 type but now I m glad we are seen PFM (Professional Flight Model) which will I think open up doors for more developers to produced new Russian Combat Modern jets or Europeans ones (Tornados, Mirages, Grippen etc). Thank you everyone who didn't ignore the AMAZING FLANKER AND ITS COBRA move ! May we see a Modern Flanker in the future also with regards of the PFM module....:thumbup::pilotfly::):joystick::book: :thumbup:

Hi Deckard, Just checkout this YT video. First kill is the Eagle and Flanker followed. Anyway check out the tactics and the radar usage by the Flanker Pilot. In DCS WORLD Eagle will always have the advantage unless we will see any future modern 4++ generation Russian fighter jet module yet. Till then, we flankers lovers have to learn how to knife fight with EAGLES in SAMURAI styles ! Checkout this VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bO8ZJT2AeU

Those who are suggesting the tactics of avoiding the aim-54 only work till FC2. Can anyone show how to avoid it with the same tactics and suggestions in DCS World ? because it needs tweaking. What the author of this thread is trying to ask: 1. When f14 locks and fire why didn't we get the launch warning ? 2. The missile doesn't sweat to bleed off speed and maintains homing lock like its wants to be a AIM-120C ! 3. And even we get the warning we don't have time to pull high G's with a missile so agile and near to you with a Mach 2 speed :). Yep, its a bug that needs to be fixed. And yes, I really want to see someone avoid it without using external views in DCS World.

Nvidia GT 240 DX 9 or 10 :cry: I m still using Nvidia GT 240 with 1 GB DDR3 and playing with the keyboard.

OK Wow ... Thank you... Thank you and Thank YOU :thumbup: Again... its only the PITCH (elevators controls) that's need to be fixed which is that it will not automatically center itself... only the pitch controls. The rest Rudder and Roll are fine as they are (which they center themselves automatically) for example: Su25t, Mig29 A, G & S, Su27 and su33. And even I think in A-10A, A-10c and P51D keyboard flight controls are OK, last time i tried them I can hold the pitch were i want. I recommend ED that they keep the Keyboard flight controls pattern same from SFM to AFM as it doesn't not concern the flight model. I really hope that people can understand what I am trying to say if I got the time i will post a video to show it to you guys. For Example: Su25t flight model is AFM and with the current Keyboard flight controls I fly this baby like a ninja ! Why ? because the stick (pitch) doesn't center itself so I don't have to keep pressing or tapping that Up/Down arrow key to maintain it and on the plus side i can press other keys also. I can't explain now more as I m still in my work place... will post a video on YT send u guys the link here. Again Thanks KUKY.

Really ! I hope this not a joke and ED take their customers seriously... If this really been reported then Thank you for listening Kuky the ED tester and will appreciated that bug#27443 will not turn out to be a laughable joke..... ...... ...... ........ .................... :( lets hope not.

Now that's what I call a innovative thinker..... Yep, I think you understand me i m a lazy block who doesn't want to move my whole arm that's I preferred keyboard but hey this is a pretty good idea to try. Thanks :thumbup: Still ED needs to fix that issue besides I m having to play with a stick or pad, this for the new comers.

hmmmm.... Will give it a try but Sticks crossed :D:joystick::thumbup:

Also, some somebody recommended me here to switch the pitch trim controls with pitch controls which i think helps but lets see... and who ever recommended this have my thanks and gratitude for understanding. May be .... May be i will get a stick someday when I see Su27 AFM in the future but still that does not make any sense that why ED changed the way to play DCS with keyboard like its used to be. Think about new comers who are interested in this product ? I started out with keyboard and still found more enjoyable playing with keyboard. All those who have sticks and making fun of me I really don't care when there is an option to play DCS with keyboard so be it. Many did with LOCKON and Flanker Series.... well I did a lot !.

Nope not agreed still that you need a Joystick to fly a hardcore sim... It can be done by KEYBOARD good old cheap KEYBOARD. AND ITS COMBAT EFFECTIVE ! TRUST ME.

ED can make an option for it for us keyboard simulators guys. I mean how hard is too do that. And regarding that all you guys saying that it is automated because of drag n stuff is wrong because in joystick when you pull the nose up you have to pull down the stick and keep it hold it where you want to control the pitch. So, as with same with keyboard when I want to control my pitch with keyboard arrow keys not that they center itself automatically like in the Arcade sim ! in arcade sim they center itself not in Hard core sim like this. Let the user decide if he needs to purchase the stick or not ... NOT FORCE THEM ! So I would suggest ED should make an option to turn on or off this feature or fix this because it will affect the user with stick also. But those of us who are playing with keyboards for so many years have a really bad time enjoying the sim. Please ED I love dog-fighting with keyboard I don't need joystick its just a simple solution and a request... some of us are very bussy in life and have small time to enjoy sim in life so we want to fire it up and play with the keyboards in our offices and in small hidden spaces from our wives to play with keyboard. Holding that pitch with the keyboard that is all I asked for...:cry::thumbup::helpsmilie:

As I said ED should fix this problem ... I don't want to buy a stick... The old method was brilliant for me to play with the keyboard. When you press down arrow key the pitch or elevators should stay there not center itself. I really don't understand why they changed it when the old method of handling the aircraft with keyboard was awesome. Only allow Roll and Rudder to center automatically but pitch leave as before PLEASE ED FOR GOD SAKE !

I m playing lockon for over 10 years with keyboard and I m really really good at it by when I took control of F15c you guys changed the way we use to control the jets from keyboard. I mean the way we currently control the su27, su25t, mig29c etc is PERFECT ! but with F15C is hell ! 1. Ctrl+J to display the pitch, roll and throttle to show status. 2. when we pitch up and down its should stay there ! not automatically center itself !!!. 3. with the roll center itself is fine but with the pitch please bring back the old method ! When you pitch up it should hold that pitch until we manually bring it back to the center and I m not talking about trimming controls here I am talking about simple great old flight keyboard that use to be in Lockon Series !. SOME OF US CAN'T AFFORD FLIGHT STICKS YOU KNOW. Thank you.

I have Nvidia GT 240 still working DCS World

Thanks for your feedback and tips ... really looking forward to play the mission today and join your non dedicated server also :D. Also count on me for regular feedback's ;)

OK... I have ran the mission so here my results. First of this is my machine spec which is not very high : 1st Generation Quad Core Processor 2.4 Ghz 4 GB Ram Zotac Nivdia GeForce GT 240 1 GBDDR5 Win7 64 bit. Ok now the results.: Well, :D........ ............... ........................ Reduced the amount of Choppers !!! :D it was hell out there getting frames between 14 to 5. And when the action start to kick in I was stuck with 1 frame :). Of course start of the mission first 3 or 2 mins the frames were good between 24 and 30. Also I think you should focus the action near and around the Anapa base meaning not spreading too many units or triggers down south till Nalchik and Sakhumi Base, make it limited till I Maykop or Gauduata base. The mission is stable without any doubts. The script are working fine but due to so many useless units (sorry i use the word useless can't find a better one :) ) the fun factor goes down on it. Its really a FUN mission to play !!! REally ! but please try to optimize more what I mention above and also please keep it up with this kind mission. Thank you... :D

As I have limited time to play I will try my best to host also because I don't know with fc2 I can host easily but with DCS world i have tried everything to host a Server and successful yet. Let me try today and see.... :joystick:

Oh man ! I M A BIG FAN OF YOU !!!! was trying to get hold of this and searching for it for a long time finally got it :D... Please keep making this kind of missions forever !... MAN I M EXCITED ! ... I was just playing on your server when it went down. I think you were "Inspector" and my nick was well hehehehe can't tell here... Anyway man great work with this mission. Because i m a busy man I need this kind of missions full of action and fast paced mission objectives. Me myself love to make missions really want to learn from you this scripting stuff .... Man really you should start a channel in YouTube about making complex missions like this... really bro keep it up.:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Ok... ED when will be the winter sale....??? I m dying to buy your products full of cash now... so when you guys gonna come out with a super news of WINTER SALE ... :D ? ITS GOING TO BE CHRISTMAS SOON... ooohhhh come on ED :( me need your productivo in sale li tu :'(

Network Latency ! OK ! then its network latency as you said. Having said that then its a bug and ED should resolved it by adjusting the timing of the radar-cycle especially in the Multiplayer mode. And adding to another thing... yes Seading is for more fun realistic then fc1 and 2 but still that network latency thing that you mentioned is to be fixed which is a BUG. Anyway, got to hand to you with your insight on Seading... Amazing ! Bravo !