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The cockpit labeling was in French. But we dont yet have an exact idea on what they could use. In service the EE was primarily used in the Air-Ground role with the CE (Spanish F1C) taking up the primary Air-Air role together with other aircraft (Like the F-4 Phantom and later F-18A). So it never carried BVR missiles like the R.530 or Super R.530F during its service and instead had Aim-9s as its only Air-Air missile (With First rear aspect Aim-9s probably Aim-9J or Aim-9N and later Aim-9Juli All aspect missiles). So the choice that has to be made and that Aviodev is currently looking into is if the EE was able to carry the R.530 and Super R.530F but never did or if it lacked the capability as it was not need for it. In either case they will have to make a decision to add the BVR missiles as an option or not. Another difference is that the F-1EE had a different (in some ways more advanced) RWR system/Display then the early F-1E had. But in general there were plenty of differences between the different E variants depending on when they were built and what the export customer wanted and the EE is not exception to this. So exactly what the EE module will be capable off will depend on their choices of what to include and if they want to be 100% true to what it used in Spanish service or also include options that were common on other F1Es and that the F1EE could have used in Theory.

For me the Guns / Rocket sight works just fine =P. Have you guys tried using just RS? as i find it works better then TAS (or having both on).

But BST and ED does not seem to be planning to do any Russian aircraft . (Other then Belstimtek making a Mi-24 but then again they are also claimed to be working on a AH-1 as well). So unless someone else does them they might not happen at all (in the near future atleast) And there are Enough Russian aircraft not yet made to go around. But yes it would probably be easier for ED and BST in some ways to get premission for a Russian aircraft (as well as the language side). If they had already said they would make all the Russian aircraft then sure but since there is no such word then i see no reason why other 3rd devs should not atleast Try. And Belsimtek has made more US aircraft then they have Russian (On the US side you have the F-86,F-5E,and UH-1 and on the Russian side they have just the Mig-15 and Mi-8.). So unless the different Dev studios decide together to split up their options like that i dont think it will be a thing. A dev studio will develop an aircraft that they like/Find interesting and that they are able to find enough information on (and are allowed to make).

Thanks for that very interesting read =). And personally i think i might be more likely to use the RB 04E instead of the RB 15F (Unless very important or highly protected targets) just because i find it to be more interesting and its also a more classic weapon and is so closely tied with the Viggen etc. I also like its "Advanced Simplicity" ^^. But yea i very much look forward to doing anti-ship missions in the Viggen. With RB-04Es against the escorts and then RB05s (Or alternatively Bombs or Rockets) against Transports or Landing Craft.

And if you have any question about the aircraft thats what we are here for. (a ton of info has already been posted in this thread but since there are currently 311 pages to sift through i think its ok to just ask ^^) I would be happy to try to educate you on the aircraft and its capabilities (and there are plenty of others as well).

Yea it was in Lock on / FC2. But it was removed before FC3/DCS. As for the Su-33 there were plans to give it more capabilities then it ended up getting to make it more of a multirole aircraft (Capable of Air-Air,Air-Ground and Anti-Ship duties) but budget limitations put an end to those plans and made it end up with pretty much just the SU-27s systems.

The Su-33 once had (a LONG time ago) the Kh-41 Moskit missile (Air launched variant of the P-270 Moskit) But it was removed as the Su-33 was never able to launch the KH-41 (or any other Anti ship missile) as while it was considered to upgrade the Su-33 with that ability in the 90s (together with Air-Ground search modes for the radar etc) the upgrade never took place so it never got the ability.

Personally i would lean towards the S word Being "Soon" as in "We're nervous and excited for you all to fly the aircraft Soon"

Yea me to. Im sure a ton of people will still get it right away (Including me ofc) but being before the hornet should give it a few more buyers. Since it will be the first aircraft with Anti-ship missiles the first supersonic attack aircraft as well as the first aircraft with an air-ground radar. And those are all things that the F/A-18 can do as well.

Well in what way?. And also the Saab 37E (Eurofighter) that was offered to the Norweigans (and other Nato nations like Denmark,Belgium and the netherlands) was not the same as the AJ 37 or the later JA 37 (as it was on the possibilities board in the mid 70s). So it would have been tailored to the needs of the customers. And would most likely have been a multirole aircraft (Fighter capabilities and BVR missiles as well as advanced air-ground capabilities). (Norway was also apparently offered the Viggen at an earlier stage in 1967-1968 before the Viggen entered into service and that would probably have been more or less a AJ 37) And the Swedish Viggen variants are well capable to compete with the Norweigan F-16s (if we look at the time the Viggen was in service). And if you compare the capabilities of the Norweigan F-16s with the corresponding abilities of the Viggen its very comparable. Since sure the F-16A might be a better fighter then the AJ37 but its no better fighter (over all) then the JA 37 (that entered around the same time as the F16) And the AJ 37 is not really any worse then the F-16A in the Air-ground area either. and as i understood it the Saab 37E would be fully multirole (so you would only need 1 version instead of two). And the Viggen would also have advantages for Norway as it would be more adapted to the Winter etc (better handling on ice as well as be able to use shorter runways during winter etc).

If you ask most Swedes (with an interest in aircraft) they will tell you that the Viggen is the Best looking fighter out there ^^. Sure she might not be as slim or have as "perfect" lines as some other aircraft. But what makes her sexy (especially for those who have seen it live or in action) is the sheer power and ruggedness in her looks. Some aircraft are Foto models but the Viggen is not, She is an Elite Athlete. She might have a few more visible muscles then what some might say is "perfect", But thats just a part of what makes her so sexy ^^.

Sorry my mistake then. And yes The F-16C even Pre-Aim-120 had some advantages over the Mirage 2000C in the Air-Air role (one of the more significant things being larger Air-Air weapons load). Though over all in Air-Air Capabilities they were very even.

Well like most Nato members Spanish involvement of conflicts would be most likely be as a part of that coalition (For example Spanish F/A-18s took part in the Bosnian and Kosovo Conflicts operating from the Aviano Airbase) And Spanish Mirage F1s have taken part in the Baltic Air Policing mission So the most logical Scenarios for Spain would be either as a part of Nato or FN missions. But thats not different then most other "minor" Nato members.

Thank you for the responses and the communication with the community. Im very much looking forward to this module and im looking forward to every picture and update from you guys.

Your way of picking those dates are a bit interesting =P. For the F-16 you pick the year when the first Production aircraft flew (1978 ) instead of when it reached operational status in the first Squadron (1980) while with the Mirage 2000 you went the other way around and instead of picking the first flight of a production aircraft (1982) you pick when it reached full operational status (1984) or you could have used the date when they were first delivered to squadrons (1980 for the F-16 and 1983 for the M2000). Since its easy to spin the dates if you want to for example i could say that the Mirage 2000 is from 1978 (when the Prototype first flew) and the F-16 is from December 1980 (when it reached operational status). When comparing numbers its best to compare the same type of number (be it First flight to first flight or Operational status to operational status etc) since otherwise it can easily give the wrong idea by a year or two.

Have you guys been able to find anything about if the EE was able to carry 4 Aim-9s or not? Since if it was that would be a great bonus especially if it will not be given 530s or S530 capability. Since for me the two extra missiles is as or more important then BVR capability is. And ive been able to find some evidence of Spanish F1s able to carry to 4x Aim-9s though it did not specify if it was for the CE only or if the EE was also given the ability.

Im afraid ive not been able to find anything on that subject. My first guess would be no as ive yet to find any evidence for it but i dont know for sure either way but id lean towards no until proven otherwise.

I dont think that has yet been decided atleast not officialy. And it will very much depend on what they choose as they have alot of decisions to make on what capabilities to give their EEs etc. For the "Close range" IR missiles the Aim-9 Juli (and maby a older Aim-9 as well) will most likely be included (as it was the missile used by Spain) but the R.550 might also be included as the F1EE was R.550 compatible (and most other nations had the R.550 on their Mirage F1s) but Spain never Acquired it. For bvr missiles they have said they are looking into it and trying to decide what to go with. In Spanish Service the F1EE was mainly a fighter-bomber where as other aircraft like the F1CE and the F-4 Phantom (and later F-18 ) taking the Air-Air role. The F1CE fighters carried R.530 missiles (not the Super but the old 1960s missile) for the air-air role but the F1EE never used them even if it should have been compatible. Spain never acquired large numbers of Super 530Fs either though they received a small number (around 50) of them when they acquired 12 second had Mirage F1EDA aircraft from Qatar but those missiles were most likely only used with those surplus aircraft (even if its possible that the CE and EE might have been capable of carrying them). There are also reports that some of the Spanish Mirage F1s were able to carry 4 IR (Aim-9) missiles like the Greek ones were but again ive not been able to find if this was for the CE or EE (Or both). So they will have to decide what they want to do, If they want to keep it 100% like that a Spanish Mirage F1EE would have carried or if they want to add things that it "could" carry but never did in order to let it simulate other nations Mirage F1s to some extent as well. In the air-ground compartment we will have a decent selection of dumb ordnance (Rockets and different types of bombs including different cluster bomb types) but dont think they have specified anything more then that. So we will have to wait and see what they find in their research and what they decide on. And also i recommend you check through pages 10-20 on this thread since there is plenty of talk on this area there.

Ok just wanted to show that it might not be the best Comparison =P. (As it might give people the wrong idea on how the different aircraft compare etc) Since while they have Similar entry dates the Mig-21Bis and F-5E are older airframes and are far less capable over all then a mirage F1 which is a more advanced aircraft. (but it was also more expensive which is why Airplanes like the Mig-21Bis and F-5E still had a place in the market as they filled a very important spot).

Id say the Mirage F1 is alot more comparable with the Mig-23 then is is with the Mig-21 (both Design time frame and capabilities) And it should not really be compared with the Mig-21Bis and F-5E. Since where as the F1 is a 1970s aircraft it was an advanced new design for a capable multirole aircraft. Where as the Mig-21Bis and F-5E are both new variants of a already existing design that is marketed as a cheap alternative to more advanced aircraft (like the F-1). In design period and level of Tech etc id probably compare the Mirage F1 with the Mig-23 on the Russian side and a F-14A on the US side. So where it might be of similar age of the Mig-21 Bis and F-5E the same can be Said of the Mig-23 and F-14A both of whom are far closer to the Mirage F1 when it comes to capabilities and sophistication etc. (With the first mass production Mig-23 Variants the Mig-23M entering service around 72-73 the F1 entering service in 73 and the F-14 in 74) The Mirage F1 is the French Fighter between the Mirage III and Mirage 2000 and was a step away from the Delta design. So the F1 was a improvement over the Mirage III in terms of agility and flight performance not to speak of avionics and computer systems. But when Fly by wire was developed in the 70s the delta got some new life into it as it was now possible to create a Relaxed stability Delta that combined the high speed advantages of the Delta design together with the agility etc that was given by Relaxed stability and this was only possible after Fly by wire emerged since without it a Relaxed stability aircraft would be unflyable. We dont have all the capabilities to the Mirage F1EE that we are getting announced yet (exactly what weapon options it will have etc). The Mirage 2000C will have the Air-Air advantage due to more advanced missiles both in BVR and in WVR (The extent of the BVR advantage will depent on if the F1EE will get any type of BVR missile) as well as having better situational advantage due to a more advanced radar / RWR Systems (though the F1 should still have Decent systems in both those Areas) But in the Air-Ground role the F1 will be as capable or more so then the Mirage 2000C but that will depend on exactly what we will get for it. So in short the Mirage F1 will be less advanced and less agile then the Mirage 2000C but it will still be a formidable design depending how it is used etc and will be far superior to older designs like the Mig-21 and F-5.

The chart you listed is an old one. This is the final programs list. https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2919817&postcount=80

ooooh that is sexy. Looks amazing and i cant wait.

Yea they are Romanian Mig-21 Lancers. either lancer A or lancer C. I cant say which from the video.

as well as the 30mm gunpods. So everything that it used will be there. And they have also said they will include the AGM-65B as an option.

We will most likely get the RBS 15F (MK1) and maybe the RBS 15F Mk2 as well as it entered service in late 90s. Though while the RBS 15F MK2 has some advantages i dont know if they are enough for them two add two different variants instead of just going with the Standard 15F.