Teknetinium

Could you plz start another thread GG and show me how F-15C data link looks and where in the cockpit it is positioned. We can only guess what those datalink are cable of. datalink panel is in all Su-27S while in F-15 we don't even know how it looks. so it would be hard to model. Again if you have info on F-15 datalink make another LEVU thread where you can use your touchpad for it :). We need to draw a line witch times we are comparing to, like I said F-15C had several updates even if it didt change the designation to D, same story whit Su-27S. You have to compare the aircrafts from same time farme, not F-15s from 2007 with Su-27S from 86.

Stop spaming the thread, plz we are talking about Su-27 features not F-15 datalink that no one knows even how it looks. if you have info on F-15 datalink bring it forward in another thread. lunaticfringe take your F-15 mafia attitude to F-15 thread. We don't need you to teach us that having the possibility to take your aircraft to higher AoA then your opponent is for no use. LOL

We are talking about Su-27 in here not that F-15 is the best fighter in all departments. So I would suggest that you stop hijacking the thread with your F-15 mafia attitude, make your own F-15 data link thread as you had before with LEVU. Whit believes that you are imposing more realistic simulated environment where you alway want something better but nothing equal, which there is. So plz make your own F-15 thread, we are talking about Su-27s datalink/TWS/EOS and aerodynamics in here.

They kept it because of obvious reasons, If it can take down F-15 with Aim-120C in simulated environment as FC3 where Su-27 don't have working TWS/EOS/datalink and ER-27 that can be avoided by not even making 60 degree pincer. Then in real life it would be even more capable and endure more threat because you just can't test milion times how to avoid ER-27. Same goes for the F-15 there is many thing that would improve it but we are talking about Su-27 now as I can see it in the thread. Help F-15 Mafia.

Doesn't beat the point that Su-27 had datalink as standard compared to F-15 witch still don't have it as standard I believe. I dont have the technical knowledge, I could argue about only GCI receiving data, you need to be more logical. In 1992 Su-35 was doing its introduction even though in went into service around 2005.

Those who got it was exceptional squads not like Su-27 where all had datalink. I don't think it was more than two squads. Do you know witch squad did get it and how datalink looks in F-15? Since at airshows when you climb into the cockpit you just cant find it compare to Su-27S built in datalink options.

That Su-27S had datalink as standard befor F-15 and F-16blockX is something you have to accept together with that cobra can be used against you when you don't see it coming:)

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pilotasso as I know F-15 did not receive datalink, only exceptional squads compared to Su-27S where it was standard. If you want to compare those F-15s/F-16blockx, why don't we bring in Su-35s/Su-30 in to discussion. You love to compare Old Su-27S from 80s that you believe didn't have a single upgrade, it would be remarkable if components had so good lifetime in those stressful conditions. And again you tell me my datalink is much better than yours when you have not even seen F-15s datalink. Jump in Su-27 in FC3 and you will find the datallink options on Su-27 that I wish was working. It would be more then enought to know where 4 of my buddies are.

Let me give you a hint pilotasso. Su-27 FLANKER tactic is not possible to employ because we don't have datalink modeled, that would be a game changer since F-15 dont have it ;). I bet you know this pilotasso, that 8vs8/4vs4 or GI multiplayer campaign is nothing like flying on public servers. Where it have been proven over and over again that tactics and teamwork is the key to any aim-120 spammers, Soon you will have to fight R-77 and Cobra pilotasso, So even those lonely wolf glory days, shooting down other lonelywolfs will get harder to claim. Let me give you another hint. There is no one that have better kill ratio in F-15 on public servers then one pilot from 51st, 128 kills to 0 death. Trust me, we know how good F-15 is, Or let me say Aim-120C5x. And we know as well that you would get surprised even more by ET if datalink was modeled.

We are complaining about basic features and systems that Su-27 don't have in FC3. I don't understand why you as F-15 fanboy have anything to say in here. Specialy if people ask for cobra,EOS,TWS, not downgrading your aim-120, no one asked your opinion of it usefulness or about you uber skill showing how to counter it. Invite me for what, must missed it? Cobra is not working in FC3, otherwise I would do it on you on daily bases. If you want to take out your frustration I can't give you a Go. Bring your buddies and i'll make a server to show you where you stand. You can bring Aim-120 with you as well, Im sure will will need them.

Would be a shame if it was not modeled in AFM. Im sure there is much more there to explore then scripted cobra in FC1/2. Its not only about the usefulness in combat its about accurate model of AFM. Not everyone enjoy spamming ERs/aim-120, many are here because of the advanced flight model. I don't understand why anyone would have different opinion. Those who are talking about if it usefull or not are not even enjoy to fly Su-27, why would you want lobby against something that is signum of Su-27.

You have to understand that Su-27 pilots in a merge have same choice as any other pilots, its other way around, none have the choice Su-27 pilots have. Su-27 and F-18 can as well do sustained turns but they have the option to bleed speed with help of high AOA faster than others if needed. In a merge that is important.

By your buddy that will be killed by my. Su-27/Mig-29 have a better turn rate then F-15 and F-16 and on top of that it can do cobra and bell maneuver together whit helmet mounted sight and R-73s you just don't want to get in a merge because the odds are not on your side when that happens, so simple is that.

Cobra as bell maneuver is very useful in practice, especially if you have R-73. It means that no matter what you do su-27 will have its nose pointed at you with a chance to launch a R-73. Bleeding speed for a shot to kill is worth it.

I would not agree on that if we had DCS Su-27. Some adjustments are still needed for all missiles with a thought that pilots need to take beam more than 60° to have a chance evading a missile from no escape zone(thats not the case now). EOS and data link is powerful weapon when working as a team since Su-27S radar is still good enough to hold enemies at bay, I'm sure we all agree that Su-27SM/3 would be more equal to F-15C. But I can assure you that Full working DCS Su-27 would be capable to handle F-15s and F-18S at same time. Its more about the training and tactics, 51st is living proof since FC1,2,3 have not lost a single multiplayer fight which all were conducted in Su-27 against many F-15 squads. I'm sure it would be as hard with full DCS model but it would be possible.

As i understand it, F-15/Su-27 are flying with some sort of coating in FC3 since apparently Su-27/F-15 have same RCS as Mig-29/F-16/Mig-21? Did we not have this implemented in FC2? Im sure that the Mig-29 was harder to pick up on radar then Su-27. The ranges was different at least on detection of a smaller target. I would assume it still the same?

I have been a big fan of Su-27 for a long time and I'm sure I know more about Su-27 capabilities then you. I don't need to have russian pilot CV, its enought not being arrogant to understand that cobra could be used effectively in many situations. There is always one pilot that get in to desperate situation in a murge, having this maneuver or knowing that you can take the aircraft's to any low speeds is better than not having the option. So plz stop tell me that is not useful because I can clearly see its only F-15 fanboys that say so, because if they tried the engine would stop. I wonder if the bell maneuver is useless as well :)?

Its because F-15 has bigger Radar, have nothing to do with RCS. But F-15C have no data link compared to Jas-39 and no Meteor missiles. I would say Jas-39 is a good match to any block F-16.

Its funny how people try to teach russian pilots about cobras unusefulness while never have faced it in a merge, I would assume a R-73 in the face.

As it is now in FC3, Russian birds have to fly whit handicap in all departments.

Cobra is demonstration of Su-27 limits of AOA, its all about maintaining control at very low speeds and AOA.You don't need to take it to cobra attitudes but having in mind that you have the possibility, I would say that cobra is very useful in a merge if you have helmet-mounted sight and R-73.

So is thrust vectoring on F-22, only for airshow :)

Can't wait!!!

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