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I am not a coder and I don't run a DCS server so I don't have an understanding of the DCS core on that kind of level, so I'll accept what you say regarding aspects of it being outdated and simply say, for my simple needs, I've always found the core more than sufficient and fit for purpose, but you aren't the only one to express dissatisfaction with elements of it. Your interpretation of EA being used as a marketing term is interesting to me as I always saw the EA label as making a product less attractive rather than more so. Either way, I acknowledge that it's used inconsistently between different devs. Personally, when I rethought my attitude to buying EA (2023) I was still comfortable buying EA from ED because I was comfortable with their standard for a module leaving EA, and the only other risk I saw to an EA purchase was bankruptcy, and ofc if that happened DCS as a whole would be kaput so it was neither here nor there. I know next to nothing about the Yak, what you've spoken of certainly sounds frustrating and such an experience could well have made me more averse to buying EA from ED. I get what you're saying about doing this as a 'thought experiment', and while I restate my belief that the date a product first becomes available is immaterial, I also accept that the date of last significant development isn't readily available so judging according to that wasn't an option. Personally, I could happily live with the F-18, F-16, A-10C and F-5 being my next four modules so I could see a way forward for someone sticking purely to ED modules once they're out of EA. Either way, I'm glad we both want to see DCS succeed for a long time to come.
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It would be stating the obvious to point out that if one feels that the core is on the verge of obsolescence, then DCS probably isn't for you, regardless of what's happening with modules. You've listed the dates these modules first became available, while two modules on the list are still receiving new features and three other modules on that list have recently received new iterations so I guess the concern is based on how long customers have been able to fly these, rather than how up-to-date they are. DCS modules have long development times and most become available to people during EA, if someone don't want something that's been available to people for some time then any module that gets released in EA is probably going to be of little interest, but then if the core is borderline busted for you then you probably aren't going to play regardless of the specifics of any modules. Personally, I don't think the length of time a software product has existed has any direct relationship to its inherent worth. I appreciate that DCS has a core that is in constant development and I don't see anything approaching obsolescence or so buggy I'd reconsider playing. I dig the deep modules that contain an enormous amount of work and I've got much more interest in its depth and immersion than how recently it became available. I guess you see something very different, and that's valid, but I wouldn't waste your time arguing the relevance of the date a module first becomes available if the core is so detrimental to your experience.
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It’s fair to say one has to choose between buying EA and enduring a long development time, but it’s difficult to argue one has to buy EA modules in order to play DCS given the excellent selection of non-EA (and imminently so) modules available. Apologies to all for the loss of context due to quotes of quotes not coming through.
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So one CEO has sounded off yet again about an ongoing negotiation on social media. I agree with him on one thing, clearly one party finds it difficult to cooperate.
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Genius!
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I’ve played lawyer here as much as anyone, but seriously, Legal Eagle Dynamics: Digital Courtroom Simulator has to become a thing…
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Hopefully one of the mods will correct anything I get wrong here... I expect ED will tell you that they still seek a resumption of the relationship with Razbam as it was before, so there is still some hope. If that doesn't happen it is currently unclear what the status of Razbam's modules will be. Your interest in DCS appears to be using it as an environment for the AV-8B and the mudhen, if that's the case and you're not a multiplayer user the worst-case scenario may not look so bleak. If Razbam did leave DCS and their modules ceased to be maintained, I believe ED plan to make available the final DCS build that those modules are compatible with. You can continue to use those modules with that build of DCS as long as you like; the modules will only cease to be usable if/when you update to the newest version of DCS. Hope that helps to some extent.
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Add that news will be shared when there is any, and yeah, that sums it up pretty well
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I’m going on the same observations you are and coming up with something a little different: I see someone who does what he thinks is best for himself in the short term, that’s why I can’t see him choosing no money over some money just because he said otherwise. The other commenters do have a point though: Neither of us know him, so I guess we’ll both have to wait and see.
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That is what Ron said, claiming that keeping Razbam willing and engaged was the only way to keep these modules was the smart bargaining position, but it's a statement easily walked back - if Razbam leave DCS these modules would be useless assets to them, far smarter to sell - if I was being cynical I might even suggest it could be positioned as something they're doing for customers' benefit. I'm just shooting my mouth off here, if Razbam leave and take their modules with them feel free to quote this back at me and I'll gladly eat humble pie.
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We could have both if Razbam leave and their modules are taken over by another dev.
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I think it will be... assuming you mean before GTA 6 hits PC. j/k
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Let’s hope this ends better than Sonny and Cher… or Jessica and Nick…
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The longer this discord comment goes without confirmation the more relieved I am. Any agreement that comes with a side of trash talk isn’t one I’d expect involves a resumption of a business relationship, but I guess you never know.
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The below is based solely on what I've read here and the Discord comment being discussed. Please note all the "my guess is" and "I'd think" qualifications due to this being me just shooting my mouth off here, take it with a mine of salt. Taking this Discord comment as true (which is not a given), I would be surprised if these staff signed an agreement with ED without Razbam being a party to it (if they did then I'd think it would have to be conditional on Razbam agreeing to it, which would add a major potential snag). My guess is any settlement for these staff would be with Razbam, with ED possibly being a party to it, and it might deal with outstanding payments to these staff being met before any further settlement goes to Razbam. Ron might then pitch it to these staff that he suggests ED provide an initial settlement to cover these agreements, which is something they probably should refuse to do since it could negatively impact how much they might ultimately claim. TL;DR: Whether these staff signed a settlement or not and regardless of who it was signed with, they are still probably going to have to wait for the end of the dispute before they see any money resulting from it.
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Ha ha yeah ok you got me
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Can't say I'd know the difference, care to explain?
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Those fuzzy dice would look awesome over a sparrowhawk HUD...
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The problem is that the question of whether modules will be supported can only be answered after the current dispute is resolved, and the details and implications of that resolution will dictate what the answer is, so currently there is no definitive answer to what you ask. I know you're looking for an official answer, I hope a mod can be more helpful.
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I'll just add that ED have indicated that they will try to keep updates from breaking the AV-8B and the other mature modules so that they keep functioning as they do now. Hopefully that will be done for the duration of the dispute (no guarantees), once things between ED and Razbam are resolved a more enduring solution may be found. Edit: I suggest you read the OP if you haven't already, that probably says all there is to say right now.
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Purchased and looking forward to this Do ED currently expect to deliver the "At final release" features when the module moves out of EA, or during product sustainment? Curious about when ED expect to get the full manual out - and I know, as always with Early Access, everything is subject to change
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You nailed it. Good ideas for how to organize it too. If the 'and Beyond' builds someone's appetite for a particular module, the 'Coming Soon' would offer them the opportunity to check back every so often and check if there have been any updates. Easier than sifting through the forum, deeper than a dev roadmap and far easier than searching old newsletters.
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Yeah, but it’s only once a year and you never know how far or close anything in it is. The two should go together, I’m not suggesting we get rid of the ‘… and Beyond’, neither would do the job of the other.
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Not talking about a general “News” section, and things can get buried if someone hasn’t looked in some time.
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Ok, I'm not here to argue so I'll leave it. Either way, the mudhen's a/g radar certainly turns out a good clear image. Here's hoping it stays in the game.
