saying an f22 w/o stealth is an oxymoron. it doesn't have to be faster or have thw best thrust to weight ratio to win, it just has to enhance the pilots capabilities and minimise his limitations. the f22 is just so far advanced that beginner pilots can fight like pros. a professional pilot in an f22 could win conflicts. the point is, there isnt another more capable plane out there that is so easy to manage.