F-16 A, B, C, MLU

The cool thing about it, they could make a Block 10 ( Like the Danish F-16 previously posted) and that exact tail number could be a A model block 10 (with its cockpit) click some option and it could be same capabilities as a block 15 (circa 1985), other options still it could have the avionics of a block 20 to a 50 (circa 2000, 2014, etc.) and be accurate model and not require an additional external model. Just the cockpit, its capabilities, systems, etc. would change. And if they model the engine, it could be used on the F-15.

 

Edit

I guess the would have to move the landing and taxi light, add the skin patches and some minor external model mods, but it would be close to be accurate. I'm also starting to doubt its capabilities since I can't find any photos of E-194 with A2G load out.

The Danish airforce originally purchased both Block 10 and 15 airframes, which have since been upgraded several times and in the current "F-16AM" configuration correspond to a Block 50/52 system-wise.

- AN/APG-66/68(V2)

- Link-16

- LANTIRN

- ALQ-213

- HMCS

- NVG(and compatible cockpit)

- MJU-7A/B

As far as current armament goes:

- AIM-9

- AIM-120

- MK-82 and MK-84

- GPU-12 Paveway II

- GPU-31 JDAM

- GPU-49 JDAM

As for which Blocks to do for DCS - I think an F-16A(Block 10 or 15 from the early eighties) and a later F-16C from the late eighties/early nineties(Block 40/42?) would satisfy most needs.

For me i want Atleast a F-16A and a A-16C.

With the F-16A being either a Stock Block 15 or a Block 15 OCU

As the Block 15 OCU would be more formidable weapons wise.

And for the F-16C id love a Block 40/42.

Like I said, months and months we can all debate which block to do, lol.

I know, I love it.

The Danish airforce originally purchased both Block 10 and 15 airframes, which have since been upgraded several times and in the current "F-16AM" configuration correspond to a Block 50/52 system-wise.

 

- AN/APG-66/68(V2)

- Link-16

- LANTIRN

- ALQ-213

- HMCS

- NVG(and compatible cockpit)

- MJU-7A/B

 

As far as current armament goes:

 

- AIM-9

- AIM-120

- MK-82 and MK-84

- GPU-12 Paveway II

- GPU-31 JDAM

- GPU-49 JDAM

 

As for which Blocks to do for DCS - I think an F-16A(Block 10 or 15 from the early eighties) and a later F-16C from the late eighties/early nineties(Block 40/42?) would satisfy most needs.

The RDAF originally bought block 1 (78-0174 to 176 and 204-205), later block 5 (78-0177 to 188, 205 to 208 ) which where updated to block 10. More block 10 bought (78-0189 to 0203, 209 to 211 and 80-0626) later block 15 (80-3596 to 80-3615, 82-1011, 82-1024, 83-1069, etc. the rest are not sequential) and updated block 10 to block 15. Then retire older frames, updated the majority of the rest to block 20 progressively at SABCA. Now, block 20 did not compiled all those capabilities you mention. It was a combination of severa physical updated and over 6 OFP... so I am aware, but thanks for the info.

My point was you could have different cockpits, engine and capabilities with the same aircraft modeled.

SkateZilla

Going back to the block 25, it did not sell well, AFAIK or as far a I can tell, it did not sell overseas (just now Indonesia is buying some from the US) so I think production of that block stopped in 85-86.

talking about block 25

7g7B9aC6Jew

Another thing to consider is that there where several assembly lines. Forth Worth Texas, Societe Anonyme Belge de Constructions Aeronautiques (SABCA), Belgian Fabrique National (BFN), TUSAS Aerospace Industries (TAI) and Samsung Aerospace (Might be more in the future). One of the many reason for the F-16 vast diversity (which is nothing when compared to aircraft like the Mig-21).

WOIocmhs6m0

Not the same as the Fighter Collection, but come on, it's close right?, Right?

 

The RDAF originally bought block 1 (78-0174 to 176 and 204-205), later block 5 (78-0177 to 188, 205 to 208 ) which where updated to block 10. More block 10 bought (78-0189 to 0203, 209 to 211 and 80-0626) later block 15 (80-3596 to 80-3615, 82-1011, 82-1024, 83-1069, etc. the rest are not sequential)

Yes thats right :)

...and updated block 10 to block 15.

Thats the bit I was referring to in regards to "both Block 10 and 15". AFAIK the RDAF is still considering their current F-16AM fleet as being a mix of Block 10 and Block 15 airframes( you mentioned yourself that the aircraft in the picture you posted doesn't have airframe changes associated with Block 15). I remember reading that aircraft on Block 10 basis were assigned to routine missions(such as "air-policing") in order to preserve airframe life of the hard pressed Block 15 based AMs usually deployed overseas for actual combat missions.

Then retire older frames, updated the majority of the rest to block 20 progressively at SABCA. Now, block 20 did not compiled all those capabilities you mention. It was a combination of severa physical updated and over 6 OFP... so I am aware, but thanks for the info.

Yes I am aware that the capabilities I mentioned were applied gradually - but you seemed confused about them:

I'm also starting to doubt its capabilities since I can't find any photos of E-194 with A2G load out.

...so I just outlined the current ones - or did you mean that particular airframe(E-194) specifically?

My point was you could have different cockpits, engine and capabilities with the same aircraft modeled.

I fail to see the point(and feasibility) with that - all you would have gained is to use the same external 3D model, which properly account for something like 5% of the work involved :D . A clickable 6DOF virtual 3D cockpit is in general many times more work than the external model and, as you know, the differences in cockpit layouts from an F-16A Block 10 to an -MLU are huge. Thats just the 3D modelling.....then there is the whole aspect of programming the vast difference in electronics and combat systems.

With the current trend in DCS of moving towards different time frames(WWII, 50'ies, 60'ies etc), it would IMHO be better to go for an early pure "counter-air" F-16A(like Block 15, which I believe is still the most produced variant) for the 80'ies and newer F-16C multirole variant for the 90'ies(to current day) rather than trying to span the whole F-16 history/operators with a single entity.......same goes for F-15 and F-18 BTW :)

( you mentioned yourself that the aircraft in the picture you posted doesn't have airframe changes associated with Block 15).

This specific F-16 (E-194) is listed as a Block 20 MLU. It has some of the signs of MLU, having beef up plates (SLEP, Falcon STAR, etc.) and moved landing/taxi lights. You can also see the JHMCS sensor. But the intake is not modified, you can tell by the TACAN antenna and the total temp probe on the left side and the small horizontal stabs. So is hard to tell which block 20 MLU updates they choose to apply to that specific F-16. Because is hard to tell which updates they applied, is hard to tell if it has all Block 20 capabilities.

Yes I am aware that the capabilities I mentioned were applied gradually - but you seemed confused about them:

Not confuse, I just know that every F-16 is different and I am aware that saying it is a block 20 or MLU or OCU does not tell the whole picture. I am very guilty of generalizing F-16, I continue to do it, but I am trying to learn. You have to be specific on the year, the country and even the specific tail number ( I do sound like a broken record, apologies). I have been in units with block 40 with completely different capabilities (Kunsan AB circa 2008, half block 40 had CCIP, not the other half)

...so I just outlined the current ones - or did you mean that particular airframe(E-194) specifically?

Yeah, I meant that specific F-16 and you listed what is suppose to be in some block 20 not which is not what happens in real life. Every aircraft get updated differently in my experience to a point.

I fail to see the point(and feasibility) with that - all you would have gained is to use the same external 3D model, which properly account for something like 5% of the work involved :D . A clickable 6DOF virtual 3D cockpit is in general many times more work than the external model and, as you know, the differences in cockpit layouts from an F-16A Block 10 to an -MLU are huge. Thats just the 3D modelling.....then there is the whole aspect of programming the vast difference in electronics and combat systems.

The point was to have the same aircraft and having the ability to switch capabilities in the option menu. I was not concern with feasibility, not likely to happen anyway. Might as well dream large right?

With the current trend in DCS of moving towards different time frames(WWII, 50'ies, 60'ies etc), it would IMHO be better to go for an early pure "counter-air" F-16A(like Block 15, which I believe is still the most produced variant) for the 80'ies and newer F-16C multirole variant for the 90'ies(to current day) rather than trying to span the whole F-16 history/operators with a single entity.......same goes for F-15 and F-18 BTW :)

When you say block 15 or F-16C, what year, what country, what tail number?

another example, JHMCS, new ejection seat (folding seat pitot tubes) but old RWR (no antennas on the leading edge flaps).

riQ-_4FDh34

LOL, non of the A/B models have that. I never notice before.

Here it looks like a old f100-PW-200. PW-220/220E have a pitot probe on the nose cone. Funny how everyone always pushes on the exhaust nozzle even tho it is written on the outside;" Do not push". Notice the corner missing on the bottom speed brake? some one drag the tail on landing, it happens.

4w5VtnztU1w

O9mtrovlPig

alo_XWCqNUQ

This is a direct PDF link

Elegance in flight

Comprehensive History of the F-16XL experimental prototype and its role in NASA flight research.

YM37F62_0V8

Notice that before the engine shutdown the pilot raises the RPM. This is done on PW engine only. IIRC, it is to scavenge the engine oil back to the tank, you have to raise the RPM to around 75 to 78% for 5 to 10 seconds. Additionally at 3:40 you can see the ground crew installing a container, this is to catch fuel from the engine. When PW engine shut down they dump fuel out of the P&D valve.

IEutlYOpWvQ

On GE engines (-100, 129) you have to wait until RPM is below 20% before turning battery off. If not the engine nozzle will close.

wiB9L2N1aGk

 

That's the F-16A!

That's the F-16A!

I believe the bottom video (landing gear) is an A model. Look at the bolts on the main landing gear wheels, those denote the smaller landing gear found on blocks 32 and below. Not sure the tail number.

The top video is a block 50 AFAIK. You see the black band on the engine? That is a sign of the GE engine. Only block 30, 40, 50 and 60 have GE engines. Masawa AB in Japan has block 50, tail code WW. I can't get to F-16.net right now to verify the tail number.

Edit;

The landing gear video F-16 is J-229 (78-0229), A model block 5

http://www.f-16.net/f-16-news-article1098.html

The engine video is 91-0422 F-16C block 50

360 video

LorC2O-f9_s

1xRoDyIqyiw

87-0707

1xRoDyIqyiw

DCS needs a Norway map :D

DCS needs a Norway map :D

It could be a 10 year plan. Norway map for F-16A, Korea for KF-16, Middle east for F-16C and E, etc. :thumbup:

Edit:

They could make any map and have F-16.

South China Sea= Malaysia, ROC/Taiwan and Thailand

Indonesia= Singapore and Malaysia

Strait of Hormuz= Pakistan, Oman, UAE and Bahrain

Mediterranean SEA= With Greece, Egypt, Morocco, Turkey, Italy (former F-16 user) and Israel

Europe= Belgium, Netherlands, Norway, Denmark and Poland

It could be a 10 year plan. Norway map for F-16A, Korea for KF-16, Middle east for F-16C and E, etc. :thumbup:

 

Edit:

They could make any map and have F-16.

South China Sea= Malaysia, ROC/Taiwan and Thailand

Indonesia= Singapore and Malaysia

Strait of Hormuz= Pakistan, Oman, UAE and Bahrain

Mediterranean SEA= With Greece, Egypt, Morocco, Turkey, Italy (former F-16 user) and Israel

Europe= Belgium, Netherlands, Norway, Denmark and Poland

You Forgot the South American Theatre :thumbup:.

F-16A for Venezuela and F-16AM MLU and F-16C Block 50+ For chile

(they acquired 36 second hand F-16s from the Netherlands wich are F-16As upgraded to F-16AM standard and 10 New built F-16C/D Block 50+s)

So the F-16 can truly be used for pretty much any part of the world.

You Forgot the South American Theatre :thumbup:.

 

F-16A for Venezuela and F-16AM MLU and F-16C Block 50+ For chile

 

(they acquired 36 second hand F-16s from the Netherlands wich are F-16As upgraded to F-16AM standard and 10 New built F-16C/D Block 50+s)

 

So the F-16 can truly be used for pretty much any part of the world.

Your right, I also did not mention Iraq, Jordan, Portugal, US and the aircraft derive from the F-16 like the Mitsubishi F-2 or the KAI T-50.

Anyway, back to F-16 video references

VOeXKWRxaMc

O_MZ5aGxvcI

a5BKQY-QLbM