FAQ Q. Why does the helicopter pitch up? (my opinion)

If you decenter (no center) ciclic, you not gain more range to forward, you have same range but not centered ciclic, for my this is not a logical solution, the problem is same and persist.

¿Exist any way for center correctly ciclic changing .lua files? I prefer ciclic correct centered that BS default solution.

Sorry my english is bad and no understand you very well in you answer, but, KA50 in DCS have center no in middle, have in -20% aprox., and ED intention is set the more range of ciclic in real KA50, but if you have centered ciclic in -20%, you not gain range, for gain true range you need mantain center in 0% position and increase Y+ range, yes this is not posible, or not easy, but is the correct way. With this actual solution, Ka50 no gain forward range, but center is in incorrect position, i hope you understand my bad english.

I was thinking, that your system does everything the opposite of what they want, with a joystick with springs, which are the majority.

From what I understand, the real cyclical Ka50 has more range to forward that to backward.

But your system, with our joysticks with springs, having to trim to forward, give us more range backwards, that forward.

Hello Legolasindar,

if what you want is more range forward than backward, you may be able to do that in the Axis Menu, selecting "User Curve" (see page 26-28 on the GUI Manual).

I'm not entirely sure about that, though.

Adéu,

Bart

Thanks HellMutt, but i no want more forward range, i want correct center, you solution modify smooth, but i think not range and not center.

If you decenter (no center) ciclic, you not gain more range to forward, you have same range but not centered ciclic, for my this is not a logical solution, the problem is same and persist.

 

¿Exist any way for center correctly ciclic changing .lua files? I prefer ciclic correct centered that BS default solution.

Hey Viper :)

If you do that, you will have to use different response curves forward and backward, (abrupter curve for forward range, smoother curve for backward range). I bet that the helicopter response would be, at least, a bit weird if you done that. A possible solution is to introduce a threshold in the forward range, so both response curves would be the same. I don't know if it can be done directly in BS, but probably there should be some utilities on the web to do that manually, out of BS.

Regards!!

Hey Viper :)

 

If you do that, you will have to use different response curves forward and backward, (abrupter curve for forward range, smoother curve for backward range). I bet that the helicopter response would be, at least, a bit weird if you done that. A possible solution is to introduce a threshold in the forward range, so both response curves would be the same. I don't know if it can be done directly in BS, but probably there should be some utilities on the web to do that manually, out of BS.

 

Regards!!

Pero dimelo en castellano que asi me entero tio, y lo pones en ingles aparte para que estos sepan que dices.:thumbup:

Only said to Amalahama speak with my in spanish, my english is bad and amalahama speak spanish :)

To clarify what was already posted by Yo-Yo and is currently missing in the FAQ (I will add alter) - the trim settings are not the same for standing still on the ground and hovering. Hovering requires approximately 7 degrees of nose-down pitch as compared to standing still on the ground. In the simulation, when you are starting a helicopter on the ground (hot or cold), it is automatically trimmed to stand still and is therefore not trimmed for a hover. Re-trimming for take-off is something the pilot has to do manually, both in real life and in the sim.

With Force-feedback joys , Is the joy neutral position tilted forward?

Regards!!

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With Force-feedback joys , Is the joy neutral position tilted forward?

EvilBivol-1 answered this already...

I want to try to give a general answer about Trim,Centre,Neutral with my own and simple words:

There doesn't exist something like "centre" or "neutral" position on a cyclic!

Every little change needs a re trim -this is the only thing the pilot can do to set his own input as a "standard".So he would be able to put his hands off the cyclic -and has a stable position, until the parameter changes!(and this can happen very quick!)

Trim with FFB in BS:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=33221

Have a question. I understanding (with my bad english :P) real Ka50 have 120%/80% centered ciclyc (yes in fictional center of helicopter), and you set ciclyc in real life 120/80 for ground, and 100/100 for hover.

My question is, more people have Joysticks with springs that without, and actual solution force trim center to Forward in joysticks with springs, ¿not is more beneficial set normal center for majority people, and less people have joystick without springs use trim for recenter?

Everyone has to do it - with or without FFB and also in real live.

When there is wind and a different payload- you have to trim anyway.

Try yourself and you will quickly become familiarised with the trim button.

IHMO Its the most imported button for a controlled fight.

EvilBivol-1 answered this already...

 

 

I want to try to give a general answer about Trim,Centre,Neutral with my own and simple words:

 

There doesn't exist something like "centre" or "neutral" position on a cyclic!

Well sure there is but as you allude, it changes. In a helicopter you will feel a resistance to your inputs outside of neutral just as you do with a non-FFB joystick. When you let go of the cyclic it will return to it's trimmed neutral position. The goal is to make that trimmed position close to what you currently require so that you aren't holding a large amount of cyclic pressure to keep the attitude you need. Even with a non-FFB stick which has only one "neutral" position, the cyclic's control authority is still accurately modeled. in other words, at high forward speed, your cyclic will only have a few inches of forward travel remaining. Now even though our cheap plastic joysticks have more available travel than that, they still have very limited forward cyclic control authority--as indicated by the (control-enter) control position indicator. In even more other words, it's just as real as it was with the F-15 or Su25.

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