1.2.6 and force feedback

Maxander · September 9, 2013

Hello everyone.

Since i've updated to 1.2.6 i have a very boring issue. Keyboard and joystick keys are taking from 1 to 5 second to respond in the game, it's impossible to play.

But if I turnoff force feedback in the settings of DCS (Sidewinder Force Feedback 2) the problem disappear.

4 R's of fixing don't work.

Do you have any idea to fix the problem?

Thanks a lot.

(Sorry for my poor english)

GreenD · September 9, 2013

Hello Maxander...

I have had problem issues with my keyboard and Joy too. But finally I solved it deleting the Keyboard.lua file.

For instance, if you have problems with HUEY you need to erase keyboard.lua file from user/savedgames/DCS/Config/Input/UH-1H/Keyboard.lua. (Make a backup first!!)

When you start again DCS world it generates a new keyboard.lua new.

The bad news is that you will need to reassign your keys, but for me it was the solution.

Hope it helps ;)

Maxander · September 9, 2013

I've already tried to delete the user/savedgames/DCS folder to create a new one, but I still have the same problem. :/

Thanks for you answer.

GreenD · September 9, 2013

:huh:

Do you have the same problem with the Sidewinder unplugged?.

Maxander · September 9, 2013

Nope, when the sidewinder is unplugged or the force feedback is disabled the game runs well.

Katmandu · September 9, 2013

I confirm, although in my case button delay is about 0.5-1 sec

Maxander · September 9, 2013

You have the same joystick? Or an other ffb joy?

GreenD · September 9, 2013

Ok. I don't know if you tried to plug in the Sidewinder in others USB ports.

I don't know why but I can't plug in my Sidewinder in a USB Hub. It makes that the game freeze. But if I plug in a USB directly on the motherboard It runs perfectly.

GreenD · September 9, 2013

Yes I have one and I love it and hate it at the same time :D

Maxander · September 9, 2013

At this moment i'm hating it...

@Katmandu do you know if it's a known bug of the 1.2.6?

GreenD · September 9, 2013

I'm using it with the 1.6 and no issues with.

Maxander · September 9, 2013

You're lucky. ;)

But now i'm stuck with this problem...

GreenD · September 9, 2013

Really I don't know, may be a conflict with another joy o something. MSFF2 are very sensitives about this. It's sounds that probability you need to reinstall.

Sorry can't help you more :(

GreenD · September 9, 2013

Hey look at this!,

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=1866980#post1866980

Maxander · September 10, 2013

I don't have the UH-1H just the A10 but it is not installed, i'm training with the SU25-T.

Edited September 10, 2013 by Maxander

PeterP · September 10, 2013

Please Post a DxDiag.TXT

Katmandu · September 10, 2013

You have the same joystick? Or an other ffb joy?

same stick- MSFF2, yes :)

At this moment i'm hating it...

@Katmandu do you know if it's a known bug of the 1.2.6?

There was a bug in earlier builds of DCS world that casued low fps when using MSFF2 (http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=103586), this was looked at and fps are no longer a problem, but this bug with loss of stick shake and button delay has appeared. Bugs are inevitable in a complex evolving software but hopefully we'll get a solution in the next patch.

Maxander · September 10, 2013

Thanks to help me PeterP and all others. :)

DxDiag.txt

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System Information

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Time of this report: 9/10/2013, 07:34:16

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DirectInput Devices

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FF Driver: n/a

Device Name: Clavier

Attached: 1

Controller ID: n/a

Vendor/Product ID: n/a

FF Driver: n/a

Device Name: SideWinder Force Feedback 2 Joystick

Attached: 1

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Controller ID: 0x0

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Attached: 1

Controller ID: 0x0

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Controller ID: 0x0

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Controller ID: 0x0

Vendor/Product ID: 0x413C, 0x2010

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Attached: 1

Controller ID: 0x0

Vendor/Product ID: 0x413C, 0x2010

FF Driver: n/a

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+ Concentrateur USB racine

| Vendor/Product ID: 0x8086, 0x3B3C

| Matching Device ID: usb\root_hub20

| Service: usbhub

|

+-+ Generic USB Hub

| | Vendor/Product ID: 0x8087, 0x0020

| | Location: Port_#0001.Hub_#0001

| | Matching Device ID: usb\class_09

| | Service: usbhub

| |

| +-+ Onduleur USB American Power Conversion

| | | Vendor/Product ID: 0x051D, 0x0002

| | | Location: Port_#0006.Hub_#0003

| | | Matching Device ID: usb\vid_051d&pid_0002

| | | Service: HidUsb

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Gameport Devices

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PS/2 Devices

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+ Périphérique clavier PIH

| Vendor/Product ID: 0x413C, 0x2010

| Matching Device ID: hid_device_system_keyboard

| Service: kbdhid

|

+ Pilote clavier de Terminal Server

| Matching Device ID: root\rdp_kbd

| Upper Filters: kbdclass

| Service: TermDD

|

+ Souris HID

| Vendor/Product ID: 0x09DA, 0x0080

| Matching Device ID: hid_device_system_mouse

| Service: mouhid

|

+ Pilote souris de Terminal Server

| Matching Device ID: root\rdp_mou

| Upper Filters: mouclass

| Service: TermDD

@Katmandu, I hope this problem will be solved before the 1.2.7 :/

Edited September 10, 2013 by Maxander

gavagai · September 10, 2013

I see katmandu posted my thread above.

Just now I was able to squash the input delay by removing my keyboard and joystick lua files and rebuilding from the default lua, as Peter P describes. Still no stick shake with 1.2.6, but this is a big improvement.

Edited September 10, 2013 by gavagai

Maxander · September 10, 2013

To remove the input delay I just have to uncheck the force feedback in settings. But it is not normal, then the joystick is "flabby", this is notsuitable to fly...

gavagai · September 10, 2013

To remove the input delay I just have to uncheck the force feedback in settings. But it is not normal, then the joystick is "flabby", this is notsuitable to fly...

Agreed, that is not a solution. Try this:

remove the old joystick and keyboard lua files from c:\user\saved games\dcs\config\input

Open the DCS launcher.

Go to options\controls, click on the column for your msffb2 joystick, and click clear category.

load the default lua for your joystick. For the P-51 it was here

c:\program files\eagle dynamics\dcs world\mods\aircrafts\p-51d\input\p-51d

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This procedure fixed the input delay. The stick shake feature is still not functional.

Edited September 10, 2013 by gavagai

Maxander · September 10, 2013

I tried this but actually i'm still at the same point :

Everything's working fine when force feedback is disabled, when i activate it keys are "laggy". :/

martinistripes · September 10, 2013

I have the same issue. Massive input delay with keyboard. I'm also using MSSFFB2. Funny thing is, I've been flying the Ka-50 without problems. I just noticed it now, when I loaded an Su-25T instant action mission. It never happened to me before 1.2.6. Something very strange happening there.

gavagai · September 10, 2013

I tried this but actually i'm still at the same point :

Everything's working fine when force feedback is disabled, when i activate it keys are "laggy". :/

Sorry I couldn't help. Everyone's machine is different, so we will have to hope for a fix, soon. Like I said, stick shake is still completely absent for me, so force feedback response is still not correct in 1.2.6.

Maxander · September 10, 2013

Is it possible to report our issue to the dev or somewhere?

1.2.6 and force feedback

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