theropod Posted December 3, 2014 Posted December 3, 2014 (edited) with this new 1.2.12 beta patch (when ASC off) still there is no g force stress or damage on aircraft wings and pilot at high speed maneouvres. waiting for main patch:( Edited December 3, 2014 by theropod
archer86 Posted December 3, 2014 Posted December 3, 2014 with this new 1.2.12 beta patch (when ASC off) still there is no g force stress or damage on aircraft wings and pilot at high speed maneouvres. waiting for main patch:( Be patient! this is the first beta flanker update
Telomere Posted December 3, 2014 Posted December 3, 2014 My record is 17.2 G :). I was expecting to see the wings rip off but found that the Su-27 is quite sturdy indeed!
theropod Posted December 3, 2014 Author Posted December 3, 2014 (edited) Be patient! this is the first beta flanker update to my observations, lots of issue fixed on 1.2.12 patch and yes, i can wait for that one to be fixed:) Edited December 3, 2014 by theropod
theropod Posted December 10, 2014 Author Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) still have High Hopes:music_whistling: while waiting for next patch, i just wonder that one is still on to do list? Edited December 10, 2014 by theropod
pyromaniac4002 Posted December 10, 2014 Posted December 10, 2014 I'm sure they'll get around to it. As much as anyone might want to represent the Flanker as an all-powerful king of the airborne world, they can still recognize the fact that no fighter jet can pull more than twice the G limit of a missile designed to shoot it down and remain in one piece. Besides that, it's a relatively easy fix.
King_Hrothgar Posted December 11, 2014 Posted December 11, 2014 My record is 17.2 G :). I was expecting to see the wings rip off but found that the Su-27 is quite sturdy indeed! 55G's http://youtu.be/22QYzTlMoyE
borchi_2b Posted December 11, 2014 Posted December 11, 2014 @pyromaniac4002: well how do you know? have you ever flown a fighter and overstressed the airframe in an emergency? I remember a friend of mine, a former f15c pilot, that he showed me a videotape in which the hud cam failed to record cause it went over 20g. I guess others know this video too and i remeber that it was on youtube once. Plus, in the initial phase of an pull, I have seen an f18c of the finnish airforce do more then 10g. In addition I have to say, that the f18c has a very similar profil like the su27 has, but it lacks the power the su27 has, to in the initial they pull similar in thier max, but over the time, the f18c losses. plus in terms of a missile approaching, well, it allways depends on the closure and the aspect to the target and the speeds, so this is a very bad call to say, i have never seen a plane that pulls twice the g of a missile that is designed to shot it down. thats just, well, not a very professional call here http://www.polychop-sims.com
theropod Posted December 11, 2014 Author Posted December 11, 2014 (edited) @pyromaniac4002: well how do you know? have you ever flown a fighter and overstressed the airframe in an emergency? I remember a friend of mine, a former f15c pilot, that he showed me a videotape in which the hud cam failed to record cause it went over 20g. I guess others know this video too and i remeber that it was on youtube once. Plus, in the initial phase of an pull, I have seen an f18c of the finnish airforce do more then 10g. In addition I have to say, that the f18c has a very similar profil like the su27 has, but it lacks the power the su27 has, to in the initial they pull similar in thier max, but over the time, the f18c losses. plus in terms of a missile approaching, well, it allways depends on the closure and the aspect to the target and the speeds, so this is a very bad call to say, i have never seen a plane that pulls twice the g of a missile that is designed to shot it down. thats just, well, not a very professional call here but are your examples can perform cobra manouevre at supersonic speeds? can real aircrafts control parts move easily like our su-27 without friction force at high speeds? at supersonic speeds ,sudden move to very high aoa can really damage every aerodynamic shape on sky. here we have an example like 55g.:) can real su-27 really peform that maneouvre? is it normal? Edited December 11, 2014 by theropod
Ktulu2 Posted December 11, 2014 Posted December 11, 2014 I wouldn't hope for a wing fix in a near future : the F15 came out about 8 months ago and no modifications where made on wings load... hell the only modification i saw was the removal of the external tanks in the last update... I do DCS videos on youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAs8VxtXRJHZLnKS4mKunnQ?view_as=public
theropod Posted December 11, 2014 Author Posted December 11, 2014 i think it can be enough to know that one on to do list.
Svend_Dellepude Posted December 11, 2014 Posted December 11, 2014 I wouldn't hope for a wing fix in a near future : the F15 came out about 8 months ago and no modifications where made on wings load... hell the only modification i saw was the removal of the external tanks in the last update... If you knew in what files to look you would notice that some changes has been made in some of the updates. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Win10 64, Asus Maximus VIII Formula, i5 6600K, Geforce 980 GTX Ti, 32 GB Ram, Samsung EVO SSD.
Ktulu2 Posted December 11, 2014 Posted December 11, 2014 I agree, there was changes in news letters, but still, its very little things compared to a wing strenght model, even the flight model still has some problems. I do DCS videos on youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAs8VxtXRJHZLnKS4mKunnQ?view_as=public
Svend_Dellepude Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 And small changes to the FM too. Now the ailerons have a limiter so they doesn't fully deflect at low airspeeds. I too wish that the pace would be faster. :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Win10 64, Asus Maximus VIII Formula, i5 6600K, Geforce 980 GTX Ti, 32 GB Ram, Samsung EVO SSD.
Ragnarok Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) At speeds of more than one M IAS, I think Flanker should not over 7.5G. This is why the delta or trapeze wing is still popular and unsurpassed, also a big disadvantage for flanker. Simple, the wings would be deformed or even broken. Edited December 12, 2014 by Ragnarok “The people will believe what the media tells them they believe.” — George Orwell
theropod Posted December 12, 2014 Author Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) i think, friction on real flanker's wings wont allow to perform cobra after 500knots. cobra manouever could be performed only at low speeds as shown on real airshow videos. if anyone can perform cobra above 500 knots, for me,he must be terminator:) Edited December 12, 2014 by theropod
Ragnarok Posted December 20, 2014 Posted December 20, 2014 (edited) Video I would prefer if AI Su-27 made larger G on dogfight. Except in climbing, realized the highest 1,5-2.5G in the horisontal maneuvers, no matter what the speed is over 600km/h. Eagle AI realized much better value. Little off topic... Edited December 20, 2014 by Ragnarok “The people will believe what the media tells them they believe.” — George Orwell
archer86 Posted December 21, 2014 Posted December 21, 2014 I hadn't time to test 1.2.14 and I wonder with that version,is su-27 still unbreakable at high speeds?
Ragnarok Posted December 21, 2014 Posted December 21, 2014 I hadn't time to test 1.2.14 and I wonder with that version,is su-27 still unbreakable at high speeds? no changes “The people will believe what the media tells them they believe.” — George Orwell
archer86 Posted December 22, 2014 Posted December 22, 2014 (edited) no changes it seems, we have to wait more. I guess ,it may be hard to add this damage to the plane. Edited December 22, 2014 by archer86
theropod Posted December 22, 2014 Author Posted December 22, 2014 (edited) it seems, we have to wait more. I guess ,it may be hard to add this damage to the plane. also flight dynamics should takes along time. because when ASC deactive, there should be the same friction force has affects on aircraft like 'asc active' flight controls, while speed increases. Edited January 9, 2015 by theropod
archer86 Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 Any news? I have no time to checkout the new patch.
aap_flanker Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 From old Flanker simulator manual: "The FCS of the Su-27 limits positive and ��negative Gs to +8.5 and -2.5, respectively. However, the aircraft can be flown to +9 and -3 Gs and has structural design limitations of +15 and -5 Gs." Intel i5 11700F + H80 | 4x4GB 3200mhz RAM | AORUS ELITE B560M | Samsung 850 PRO SSD 256gb| KINGSTON SA400 480GB SSD | WD 500GB | Gigabyte GTX 1070 8GB | Antec 1200 PSU | Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS and homemade panels and rudder pedals | 24" Samsung T24C550 @60Hz 2ms | Opentrack 3 led clip
archer86 Posted January 10, 2015 Posted January 10, 2015 From old Flanker simulator manual: "The FCS of the Su-27 limits positive and ��negative Gs to +8.5 and -2.5, respectively. However, the aircraft can be flown to +9 and -3 Gs and has structural design limitations of +15 and -5 Gs." Dcs flanker should have the same limits with the future updates.
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