DCS FC3 LİMİTED AFM?

[theropod]

''As for CAS correcting anything in Su-27 and F-15, you are wrong there too. These are scheduling systems that help make it easier to fly the aircraft, and in the Su-27 there is a AoA limiter which can be overriden by pulling the stick harder. There are no corrections of anything ''

 

 

for su-27, i dont have detailed knowledge but for f-15,i told the same with you. cas makes aircraft easier to fly. my only hope that we can control cas like we control aoa limiter on upcoming standalone dcs fc3.

and thank you for exact information about a-10a!

Edited February 6, 2014 by theropod

[GGTharos]

Why would you want to 'control' CAS? You turn it on and leave it on!

[NineLine]

Why would you want to 'control' CAS? You turn it on and leave it on!

 

Hmmm, today I want the aircraft more difficult to fly :)

[cichlidfan]

Hmmm, today I want the aircraft more difficult to fly :)

 

I have a beta copy of P-51 still hanging around, if you would like! ;)

[GGTharos]

More like not possible to fly.

 

Hmmm, today I want the aircraft more difficult to fly :)

[theropod]

Why would you want to 'control' CAS? You turn it on and leave it on!

 

actually i tested that function on my cousins f-15 for fsx. i dont remember the developer but it was enough detailed. there were 3 way cas switches on left panel which can manually controlable from user. for example if you turn all switches off ,airplane pitch,yaw and roll limits disappears and you can feel unstabilized flight conditions ,at this time you have make correction on aircraft for stable flight. but you can push the limits of aircraft on this way. flat spins can be performable but somethimes very hard to recover.

when turning all switches on aircraft flies very stable and you can feel the limiters working. no spins,no dangerous aoa etc...

thats why i want to use them on fc3 f-15. they might not be able to control seperatly but with a mode function we can control all.

[GGTharos]

but you can push the limits of aircraft on this way.

 

No, you can't push the limits any more than you can push them with CAS on. If you can 'push them more' in FSX with CAS off, then it's wrong.

 

flat spins can be performable but somethimes very hard to recover.

 

Spins in the F-15 are performed with CAS on.

 

when turning all switches on aircraft flies very stable and you can feel the limiters working. no spins,no dangerous aoa etc...

 

There are no limiters in the F-15's CAS. You can pull dangerous amounts of g, AoA, enter stalls and spins and all that fun stuff.

[NineLine]

actually i tested that function on my cousins f-15 for fsx. i dont remember the developer but it was enough detailed. there were 3 way cas switches on left panel which can manually controlable from user. for example if you turn all switches off ,airplane pitch,yaw and roll limits disappears and you can feel unstabilized flight conditions ,at this time you have make correction on aircraft for stable flight. but you can push the limits of aircraft on this way. flat spins can be performable but somethimes very hard to recover.

when turning all switches on aircraft flies very stable and you can feel the limiters working. no spins,no dangerous aoa etc...

thats why i want to use them on fc3 f-15. they might not be able to control seperatly but with a mode function we can control all.

 

Wags talks a little about the F-15 AFM and CAS here:

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=117395

[theropod]

No, you can't push the limits any more than you can push them with CAS on. If you can 'push them more' in FSX with CAS off, then it's wrong.

 

 

 

Spins in the F-15 are performed with CAS on.

 

 

 

There are no limiters in the F-15's CAS. You can pull dangerous amounts of g, AoA, enter stalls and spins and all that fun stuff.

 

this was an fsx experience which i dont like to use ,and maybe it is wrong but than what is the difference without cas system?

[GGTharos]

The F-15 is an aerodynamically unstable airframe, with the CAS off it is simply very difficult to control under normal flight situations.

 

The CAS keeps the aircraft behaving predictably, as well as adding convenient things like automatic trimming to 1g, automatic turn coordination, aileron-rudder interconnect (stick input goes to rudders instead of ailerons at high AoA) etc.

[theropod]

Wags talks a little about the F-15 AFM and CAS here:

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=117395

 

The F-15 is an aerodynamically unstable airframe, with the CAS off it is simply very difficult to control under normal flight situations.

 

The CAS keeps the aircraft behaving predictably, as well as adding convenient things like automatic trimming to 1g, automatic turn coordination, aileron-rudder interconnect (stick input goes to rudders instead of ailerons at high AoA) etc.

thank you! those explanations are enough to be happy:)

[Faith]

theropod think of it this way, flying an unstable aircraft without any stabilisation is like flying a helicopter without using any of the stabilisation software. You will continually diverge and the aircraft would almost never do what you "tell" it to with the control stick.

 

Think of it another way, the F-117 is extremely unstable and is only made flyable by its computers. The standard procedure for losing the flight control systems was an immediate ejection otherwise the aircraft would enter into an immediate spin and the pilot would not be able to eject at that point.

 

Now reconsider if you really want to fly an unstable aircraft without any help. Take some flight dynamics classes and think it over.

[theropod]

theropod think of it this way, flying an unstable aircraft without any stabilisation is like flying a helicopter without using any of the stabilisation software. You will continually diverge and the aircraft would almost never do what you "tell" it to with the control stick.

 

Think of it another way, the F-117 is extremely unstable and is only made flyable by its computers. The standard procedure for losing the flight control systems was an immediate ejection otherwise the aircraft would enter into an immediate spin and the pilot would not be able to eject at that point.

 

Now reconsider if you really want to fly an unstable aircraft without any help. Take some flight dynamics classes and think it over.

 

i just wanted to know more about flight control sytems which is related to these aircrafts ,what if they have an important and usefull function or not, and now i learned more about them.

now for me there is nothing to think about.

Edited February 7, 2014 by theropod

[JMasterFlash]

I think it's worth mentioning here that the update to the A-10a sas (the only one I remember) was just to change the cockpit graphics to show sas switches in the on position. This will have no effect on the AFM. It's just for the look of the cockpit.

[JMasterFlash]

Also when the f-15 module comes out, I will try to fly it w/o cas system for the fun of it. ;) it's the f-15 here guys! Not the f-117 or f-16. I'm sure it's no 747 to fly without cas but from everything I've heard it's not inherently unstable, it's just not very inherently stable. It helps the pilot not to have to devote all of his time and energy to keep the plane in the air.