Pilotasso Posted March 11, 2014 Posted March 11, 2014 That was called Iran-Iraq war because they were only 2 countries whereas the "gulf War" really comprised several local countries. .
Scrim Posted March 11, 2014 Posted March 11, 2014 ^ That. If you're gonna be a smartass, go all out and call it something like the 1452d Gulf War, because let's face it, there's been plenty of wars in the region before the Iran-Iraq war or the Gulf War. You knew what I was talking about. The reason I brought up the Gulf War is because, A, it's an interesting example because it's the first time that so many dimensions of ELINT, air, and generally combined warfare came together, and B, you'd be hard pressed to find any other example of ELINT having such a huge impact in any other war.
EtherealN Posted March 11, 2014 Posted March 11, 2014 Im not being a smartass. I ampointing out that there are large parts of the world where the gulf war meant what we call iran-iraq war. Including, quite relevantly, the gulf itself. :-) Though, on ELINT having masive impact on another war, I propose World War 2. Desert Storm was decided by massive technological superiority. The coalition did not need it to win, since they could massacre the Iraqi IADS through dropping smart bombs from stealth jets. The land fight was then decided in large part by deception. But again, that wasnt my point. The value of EMCON and ELINT was understood by everyone way before Desert Storm. Flying formations in fake attacks isnt about analyzing specific radar technology, it is about forcing the other guy to show you where his toys are at. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
RIPTIDE Posted March 11, 2014 Posted March 11, 2014 Iraqi AA net, which went from being damn near state of the art, WP with French improvements, to being nothing short of firing AAA blindly up into the sky when bombs started going of, and sending SAMs blindly with a very brief radar guidance when it was estimated that the missile was close to where Coalition aircraft could be, to avoid getting locked on by a Wild Weasel and ending up on the receiving end of a HARM missile. A continual theme of mine is always to take a closer look at the lessons of the Gulf War. I'm pretty sure that the men and women who need to take the lessons, know what was and what was not achieved. There's a common urge to big-up opponents well beyond what they really were. The Fact of the matter is, Iran only a few years before was bombing the sh1t out of Iraq's Eastern Airfields. That does not sound to me like State of the Art. As for the Iranians, The Iraqi's were doing likewise too. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Scrim Posted March 11, 2014 Posted March 11, 2014 Etherain: Yeah, you definitely were. And I'm not going to bother with someone who either doesn't read my post, or deliberately takes what I say out of context for whatever reason. Riptide: Well, due to the Soviet military assistance, the peace time years, as well as the frustration of Iran and Israel popping by unannounced and bombing their nuclear projects, the Iraqis had rebuilt their AA net in time for the Gulf War. Was it the greatest in the world? Hardly. It had the obvious downsides, like less advanced WP technology, as well as a flawed WP style organisation, but it was not much worse than that of some WP countries.
EtherealN Posted March 11, 2014 Posted March 11, 2014 As you say, WP tech. They did not need to conduct ELINT agains Iraq to figure out how it worked. They and others had been doing that constantly against the actual WP since WW2. Also, the Iraqis did have a lot of western tech as well, which obviously was well familiar to the west. (Remember, the west supplied them for a decade precisely because they fought the Iranians.) The rebuild youare talking about was 2 years . Regarding use of the term Gulf War, you can see the "Gulf War disambiguation" page on wikipedia. Again, the tricks you mentioned has nothing to do with learning secret protocols and targeting modes. Nor did anyone need Desert Storm to know learning those things is a warwinning idea. Everyone, including nominally neutral countries, already knew that. But thesame thing you mentioned is and was used for a different warwinning tactic; forcing the opponent to show you his IADS components, many of which are mobile and therefore less susceptible to satellite tracking. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
RIPTIDE Posted March 11, 2014 Posted March 11, 2014 Riptide: Well, due to the Soviet military assistance, the peace time years, as well as the frustration of Iran and Israel popping by unannounced and bombing their nuclear projects, the Iraqis had rebuilt their AA net in time for the Gulf War. Was it the greatest in the world? Hardly. It had the obvious downsides, like less advanced WP technology, as well as a flawed WP style organisation, but it was not much worse than that of some WP countries. I'm not so sure. Iraq was bankrupt. Hence the reason for the Kuwaiti invasion in the first place. ;) As for the actual SAM batteries.... mobility, concealment and efficient use of the actual units themselves is the difference there. Just like Stealth, IAD requires the adoption of an entire doctrine well beyond just the hardware itself. Iraq had the mighty HAWK that they robbed from Kuwait. What difference did it ever make in the grand scheme of things? :thumbup: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Kusch Posted March 17, 2014 Author Posted March 17, 2014 NATO exercise Cold Response 2014 http://airheadsfly.com/2014/03/09/cold-response-2014/ http://mil.no/excercises/coldresponse/Pages/default.aspx Give me "flying telephone pole" (SA-2)!
aaron886 Posted March 17, 2014 Posted March 17, 2014 Thanks for posting some photos, it was getting... stuffy in here.
Namenlos Ein Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 NATO exercise Cold Response 2014 Iceland Air Meet 2014
TimeKilla Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 :joystick: YouTube :pilotfly: TimeKilla on Flight Sims over at YouTube.
Kusch Posted March 21, 2014 Author Posted March 21, 2014 The UK has offered to deploy a number of Eurofighter Typhoon combat aircraft to Lithuania to bolster the NATO-led Baltic Air Policing Mission, a senior government minister announced on 17 March”. The offer was made as regional tensions continue to rise following the Russian invasion of the Ukrainian region of Crimea, although Philip Hammond, UK Secretary of State for Defence, was keen to draw a distinction between the mission in the Baltic states and any Western intervention in Ukraine. “The status of Ukraine is quite different from the status of NATO countries [Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania]. NATO countries enjoy the Article 5 guarantee, which protects and assures their security, [and] we are doing everything we can to reassure our NATO allies about the protection we offer.” Paris could propose the deployment of three Rafale to participate in aerial surveillance mission in the Baltic area. Radar aircraft should also be commissioned. The defense minister Jean-Yves Le Drian must go today in Vilnius, Lithuania to reassure neighboring states to Ukraine and Russia, fearing a rise in violence. http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2014/03/21/97001-20140321FILWWW00046-des-rafales-francais-en-zone-baltique.php Give me "flying telephone pole" (SA-2)!
NOLA Posted March 21, 2014 Posted March 21, 2014 That gave me some memories :smilewink: Hehe, have you also seen some phallic symbols and a few cuss words drawn in such locations? :P:D I have a few examples, but they might be too NSFW...
Kusch Posted March 26, 2014 Author Posted March 26, 2014 (From right) A Polish F-16 Fighting Falcon taxis past a 555th Fighter Squadron F-16 before a training mission, March 18, 2014, at Lask Air Base, Poland. The aerial training exercises a pilot’s ability to operate across a range of military operations with precise full-spectrum capabilities. Give me "flying telephone pole" (SA-2)!
Pepec9124 Posted March 26, 2014 Posted March 26, 2014 Is this hot stuff on USAF F-16 ? It looks like Polish F-16 is carrying training Sidewinder.
TimeKilla Posted March 27, 2014 Posted March 27, 2014 (edited) Look good! Edited April 2, 2014 by TimeKilla :joystick: YouTube :pilotfly: TimeKilla on Flight Sims over at YouTube.
Kusch Posted April 2, 2014 Author Posted April 2, 2014 NATO Baltic Training April 1, 2014, Siauliai Air Base, Lithuania Give me "flying telephone pole" (SA-2)!
Kusch Posted April 28, 2014 Author Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) Rafale in Poland. French fighters Rafale landed today (28.04.2104) in 22nd Tactical Air Base in Malbork (Polish MiG-29 air base): https://twitter.com/mod_pl/status/460755108490260480/photo/1 http://www.tvn24.pl/pomorze,42/francuskie-mysliwce-przylecialy-do-malborka,422771.html https://www.facebook.com/armeefrancaise Edited April 29, 2014 by Kusch Give me "flying telephone pole" (SA-2)!
Kusch Posted April 28, 2014 Author Posted April 28, 2014 Four Royal Air Force Typhoon aircraft deployed today to take part in the NATO Baltic Air Policing (BAP) mission over Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. Give me "flying telephone pole" (SA-2)!
Kusch Posted April 29, 2014 Author Posted April 29, 2014 Maj. Barak Amundson and 1st Lt. Matthew Scott, 493rd Expeditionary Fighter Squadron pilots, fly over Lithuania during a training mission with the Lithuanian air force April 23, 2014. The 48th Air Expeditionary Group has been conducting the Baltic Air Policing mission here since January and will be handing over the mission to the Polish air force at the beginning of May. Give me "flying telephone pole" (SA-2)!
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