Flagrum Posted April 16, 2014 Author Posted April 16, 2014 Warm mercury. ...? (not sure if this works in, i.e. the english language ... :o)
Wolf Rider Posted April 16, 2014 Posted April 16, 2014 In the Sanskrit Samaraanganasutraadhaara it is written: "Strong and durable must the body of the Vimana be made, like a great flying bird of light material. Inside one must put the mercury engine with its iron heating apparatus underneath. By means of the power latent in the mercury which sets the driving whirlwind in motion, a man sitting inside may travel a great distance in the sky. The movements of the Vimana are such that it can vertically ascend, vertically descend, move slanting forwards and backwards. With the help of the machines human beings can fly in the air and heavenly beings can come down to earth." City Hall is easier to fight, than a boys' club - an observation :P "Resort is had to ridicule only when reason is against us." - Jefferson "Give a group of potheads a bunch of weed and nothing to smoke out of, and they'll quickly turn into engineers... its simply amazing." EVGA X99 FTW, EVGA GTX980Ti FTW, i7 5930K, 16Gb Corsair Dominator 2666Hz, Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit, Intel 520 SSD x 2, Samsung PX2370 monitor and all the other toys - "I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar"
Flagrum Posted April 16, 2014 Author Posted April 16, 2014 In the Sanskrit Samaraanganasutraadhaara it is written: "Strong and durable must the body of the Vimana be made, like a great flying bird of light material. Inside one must put the mercury engine with its iron heating apparatus underneath. By means of the power latent in the mercury which sets the driving whirlwind in motion, a man sitting inside may travel a great distance in the sky. The movements of the Vimana are such that it can vertically ascend, vertically descend, move slanting forwards and backwards. With the help of the machines human beings can fly in the air and heavenly beings can come down to earth." I had to google a bit to decide if you were just mocking me or what this is all about. Found some interesting stuff, lol: Vimana, ancient aircrafts of India and Atlantis, powered by a "mercury vortex engine". Hrm ... heating mercury ... maybe we ARE up to something here. Let me think about it a bit more. :o)
kyleyandell55 Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) Re-assesment After many days of thinking about this theory, I came across this thread. The original design stated is close I would say, but a few amendments need to me made. Please help me out with anything I may be over looking. Firstly, lets use the well known circular flying disc shape. Inside of this, replace the ring with a spherical chamber placed directly in the center of mass. This chamber will be spun, causing the liquid mercury contained inside to form a sort of whirlpool that will climb the sides of the sphere, causing an immense force to constantly flow both outward along the longitudinal axis and upward toward the top of the sphere. This part is where my theory may fall apart. I believe that when the mercury reaches the "peak" of the sphere, it would naturally fall down the center of the latitudinal axis due to the vacuum created within the sphere and starts its journey over again (essentially a whirlpool swallowing itself). I have read that some research suggests a similar theory claims a resultant 90% reduction of gravitational force. Of course, power still needs to be applied to the sphere in order to start and continue this process. Oh and some means of propulsion in an upward and downward motion, most likely due to a ducted fan placed beneath the UFO (which with a 90% reduction to gravitation forces, should be more than efficient enough to do the job.) Edited March 4, 2015 by kyleyandell55 slight changes to wording
sobek Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 I have read that some research suggests a similar theory claims a resultant 90% reduction of gravitational force. I can say with 100% certainty that that research was baloney. ;) Read about conservation of momentum. Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
NeilWillis Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 I think I can rescue the fundamental aims of this experiment. Instead of mercury, the liquid used to fill the pipe should be beer. Next, instead of a closed loop, simply add a tap at the end of the pipe, and instantly the whole conundrum will be resolved. The question of levitation would become moot, and instead, once the system settles into equilibrium, the participant would start to develop a silly grin, and wonder if the beer supply could be made infinite somehow. An elegant solution to a difficult, nay, impossible problem. As for levitation, just drink sufficient beer, and you'll first develop a sensation of the room spinning, and the centrifugal forces generated by this phenomenon can be harnessed to bring about levitation as well as projectile vomiting. Admittedly, the vomit, and hangover resulting from this experiment might upset the wife, but at least you'll have the excuse that it was all in the cause of developing science, and mankind in general.
kyleyandell55 Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 The similar theory mentioned is slightly different in a few ways, it is performed in a tubular ring shape, it is super heated (as someone was hinting to up there ^) causing the mercury first turn into a gas, and then into a plasma state. Read this http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_vacuum_plasma_thruster
kyleyandell55 Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20110023492_2011024705.pdf Also read this. And now drink a beer.
sobek Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 This does not at all work like you described in your first post. In short, this is a plasma thruster that uses quantum fluctuations as source of fuel. There is no sphere pumping mercury in circles and "reducing gravitational force by 90%". Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
Flagrum Posted March 4, 2015 Author Posted March 4, 2015 Guys, I hava a solution now! Yes, I experimented with the beer approach and while doing so and re-reading this No, this would be the case if the fluid "came out of nowhere" and would "vanish into nowhere". it struck me. All we need is to attach a teleporting device which "beams" the mercury from the end of one half-circle pipe to the beginning of the other half-circle pipe! That way the mercury vanishes into nowhere and comes out of nowhere - as specified! So, who got blueprints for a working teleporter?:huh:
Isegrim Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) Faster direction change in the Small corners at the bottom are the proplem. The Fluid is at the same speed, but the direction is changed in a smaller diameter which means higher forces. :) You can make the pipes wider there but the mass of the bottom fluid in the wider pipes will then be bigger then the mass in the *effecitve* pipes. It will always be 0-0. :smilewink: Edited March 4, 2015 by Isegrim "Blyat Naaaaa" - Izlom
kyleyandell55 Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 This does not at all work like you described in your first post. In short, this is a plasma thruster that uses quantum fluctuations as source of fuel. There is no sphere pumping mercury in circles and "reducing gravitational force by 90%". Lol why is it that you assume plasma follows the laws of physics? Many have proven against it. Heck, the thruster described by NASA that you also just referenced blows the conservation of momentum out of the water. A super heated mercury/plasma is not only a conductor of electricity but acts much differently than you seem to be able to comprehend.
sobek Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) Lol why is it that you assume plasma follows the laws of physics? Because everything follows the laws of physics. If it doesn't, the laws are not correct, which happens rarely enough nowadays. Heck, the thruster described by NASA that you also just referenced blows the conservation of momentum out of the water. No, it's just that you don't understand the conservation of momentum. Btw. on page 5 your paper says exactly that, "conservation of momentum is required" for the device to work. Edited March 4, 2015 by sobek Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
Rotorhead Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 All we need is to attach a teleporting device which "beams" the mercury from the end of one half-circle pipe to the beginning of the other half-circle pipe! That way the mercury vanishes into nowhere and comes out of nowhere - as specified! "Now you're thinking with Portals™!"
WildBillKelsoe Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 hey man toss some of that shi& you're on this way.. here! AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
kyleyandell55 Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Will someone please explain this to me? Lets just assume that there was mercury contained within a sphere and placed under a perfect vacuum, if energy is used to spin this sphere like a top, it should make the mercury also spin. Newtons 1st law states that an object in motion will remain in motion if no forces affect it. An example would be a stone thrown in space, it will travel forever.
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