Hypoxia

[CaptJodan]

Curious thing during causal flight today. I've never bothered with an oxygen system in any previous aircraft before, but today while travelling at 32,000 ft for a while, I suddenly got transported out of my plane (there were no units to kill me in this mission). The plane eventually rolled over and lawn darted. Looking back at the track log, it did indeed show my pilot died two minutes before lawn darting.

 

I'm guessing this means that oxygen deprivation is modeled? (I feel stupid if it was modeled in previous aircraft, I've never had this happen before). If so, bravo. Serves me right for being a lazy pilot, looking at the manual as I passed over the oxygen system and going "Yeah, that never matters in a sim".

 

Note of warning, though. There's no warning that you're going to pass out and die. Pilots beware.

[Belphe]

I remember this happening to me in the hog. Hypoxia is in this sim.

[Eldur]

Great feature, but I'd highly appreciate some feedback before the pilot just dies, like strong breathing sounds or FOV greyout/blackout just like while pulling Gs, so you still have enough time to turn up the oxygen flow in case you forgot it.

[outlawal2]

Great feature, but I'd highly appreciate some feedback before the pilot just dies, like strong breathing sounds or FOV greyout/blackout just like while pulling Gs, so you still have enough time to turn up the oxygen flow in case you forgot it.

 

In real life you don't get any real notice either.. MANY pilots have died this way.

 

If you ever fly larger planes they make a real big deal about this in class especially due to the fact that your brain does not realize what is happening and then you pass out...

[CaptJodan]

I remember this happening to me in the hog. Hypoxia is in this sim.

 

Then yeah, took me a looooooong time to find it. I clearly was activating my oxygen supply in other aircraft. Perhaps auto-start takes care of that in other AC whereas you have to remember in this one?

 

Great feature, but I'd highly appreciate some feedback before the pilot just dies, like strong breathing sounds or FOV greyout/blackout just like while pulling Gs, so you still have enough time to turn up the oxygen flow in case you forgot it.

 

I agree. A bit of that G force magic subtly affecting you would go a long way to warning the pilot that you might have forgotten something.

[outlawal2]

Then yeah, took me a looooooong time to find it. I clearly was activating my oxygen supply in other aircraft. Perhaps auto-start takes care of that in other AC whereas you have to remember in this one?

 

 

 

I agree. A bit of that G force magic subtly affecting you would go a long way to warning the pilot that you might have forgotten something.

 

Thing is that in real life you have absolutely ZERO notification at all.. And your brain continues to get more and more useless as the effects continue. G-forces affect you and then as the forces recede you get your senses back.. Hypoxia is constant and slowly gets worse and never recedes so you just pass out before you even know there is an issue.. And it is also very slow and subtle where G-force blackout is much quicker and noticeable.. (And yet sometimes pilots pass out from G-forces that are much more noticeable than hypoxia and don't even realize they were ever out.. Pretty scary stuff.)

 

Hypoxia is a real killer and the way ED has it modelled is realistic..

 

Sucks for sure, but it is what it is..

Edited August 6, 2014 by outlawal2

[CaptJodan]

Thing is that in real life you have absolutely ZERO notification at all.. And your brain continues to get more and more useless as the effects continue.

 

Hypoxia is a real killer and the way ED has it modelled is realistic..

 

Sucks for sure, but it is what it is..

 

Fair enough. I'll take the realism as is. It's just nice to see it does have an effect.

[SimFreak]

Thing is that in real life you have absolutely ZERO notification at all..

 

I guess I should ignore everything I learned in the chamber.

 

 

So when we went to a chamber and slowly altitude increased while doing task, each person learns about their own body when they were deprived of oxygen. My reaction was typical....skin became very hot/redish and tingly. This training helped me while doing gliding (second solo) and not noticing that oxygen system stopped working...around 17,000ft. After noticing symptoms, I descended quickly and did light troubleshooting of an oxygen system. So yeah, you are dead wrong. There are plenty of notifications. Unfortunately, only military pilots go though training it seems.

[outlawal2]

I guess I should ignore everything I learned in the chamber.

 

 

So when we went to a chamber and slowly altitude increased while doing task, each person learns about their own body when they were deprived of oxygen. My reaction was typical....skin became very hot/redish and tingly. This training helped me while doing gliding (second solo) and not noticing that oxygen system stopped working...around 17,000ft. After noticing symptoms, I descended quickly and did light troubleshooting of an oxygen system. So yeah, you are dead wrong. There are plenty of notifications. Unfortunately, only military pilots go though training it seems.

 

OK, thanks for the slap and the statement about my being DEAD WRONG.. That's the spirit! :thumbup:

 

But if a pilot has never had this training, then what notification do they actually HAVE? Since they have no idea about these symptoms then they don't really have any notification do they? And exactly how is ED supposed to approximate red tingly skin? So to a pilot that is uninformed, they will fly along (Just like the sim) and pass out before they know anything is wrong won't they? (Just like the sim)

[SimFreak]

OK, thanks for the slap and the statement about my being DEAD WRONG.. That's the spirit! :thumbup:

 

But if a pilot has never had this training, then what notification do they actually HAVE? Since they have no idea about these symptoms then they don't really have any notification do they? And exactly how is ED supposed to approximate red tingly skin? So to a pilot that is uninformed, they will fly along (Just like the sim) and pass out before they know anything is wrong won't they? (Just like the sim)

 

(Warning; under influence)

 

You passed wrong information and got called out. Do need to be butt hurt. I'm talking about real life here. My fingers felt like I was stabbed by little needles during glider experience. Military pilots go through training to teach them about it. Both sudden loss of pressure and gradual. I experienced both in real life.

 

If you have suggestions on how to simulate symptoms, please share and I'll request that future from ED.

[Focha]

I think hypoxia is not simulated in the F-86 Sabre.

[SuperSix2]

Nope, just went flying around at 35000 with the oxygen off...nothing happened. Then decided I might as well get some some wind in my hair and blew off the canopy. Even then still hypoxia did not set in like the A-10C, however, I'll let this thread go back to being about hypoxia in the dora.

[Xtrasensory]

OK, thanks for the slap and the statement about my being DEAD WRONG.. That's the spirit! :thumbup:

 

But if a pilot has never had this training, then what notification do they actually HAVE? Since they have no idea about these symptoms then they don't really have any notification do they? And exactly how is ED supposed to approximate red tingly skin? So to a pilot that is uninformed, they will fly along (Just like the sim) and pass out before they know anything is wrong won't they? (Just like the sim)

 

Every person has their own first symptoms. I get hot and cold feelings rapidly after each other. After that my fingernails turn light.

If you would do a gradual climb to altitude without oxygen, you may start to notice that colors loose their contrast. When you turn on your oxygen you will see them getting brighter within seconds. Although this change of contrast comes gradual and maybe hard to see. But this can be something they can implement?

Or maybe a short delay in responding to control inputs?

[FoReIgNeR]

Every person has their own first symptoms. I get hot and cold feelings rapidly after each other. After that my fingernails turn light.

If you would do a gradual climb to altitude without oxygen, you may start to notice that colors loose their contrast. When you turn on your oxygen you will see them getting brighter within seconds. Although this change of contrast comes gradual and maybe hard to see. But this can be something they can implement?

Or maybe a short delay in responding to control inputs?

 

This reminds me of a personal experience =) Flight plan EBAW - EGFF, cleared FL120 in an unpressurized aircraft (it was a twin engine Piper Seneca). ATC: turn right heading x+45 degrees. Action: x-45 degrees. Some time later: ATC: turn *!RIGHT!* 45 degrees. Our response: London center, request FL80 =)

 

The thing is, you don't really notice when hypoxia sets in... You will feel a bit more elated than usual, see things in a more `dreamy' state, but you won't realize it at that moment yourself...

Edited August 6, 2014 by =FoReIgNeR=