El Hadji Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 Is the chair/head placed off-center or am I having neck problems? When I re-center my TrackIR my head seems to be right of the cockpit center. Anyone else noticing this? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My computer specs below: CPU: Intel Core i5 3570K@4.2GHz | CPU Cooler: Corsair Hydro H100 | GPU: MSI Nvidia GTX 680 2GB Lightning 2GB VRAM @1.3GHz | RAM: 16GB Corsair Vengeance LP DDR3 1600 | SSD 1: Corsair Force 3 120GB (SATA 6) | SSD 2: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB (SATA 6) | Hybrid disc: Seagate Momentus Hybrid 500/4GB (SATA 3) | Keyboard: QPAD MK-85 | Mouse: QPAD 5K LE | TrackIR 5 + Track Clip Pro | Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog | MFG Crosswind | OS: Win7/64
Sabredog Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 Yes, it's in line with the gun sight instead of centred. I've also noticed that you can clip your view through the gun sight as well, which is a bit naff. Other aircraft don't allow your view to clip through parts of the cockpit.
Belphe Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 Same here. Left edge of the gun sight should mark the center of view. Instead, the view is shifted to the right. Never say never, Baby! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
El Hadji Posted August 8, 2014 Author Posted August 8, 2014 Is this a bug or a decision made by ED to make aiming easier? Feels a bit odd to be honest... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My computer specs below: CPU: Intel Core i5 3570K@4.2GHz | CPU Cooler: Corsair Hydro H100 | GPU: MSI Nvidia GTX 680 2GB Lightning 2GB VRAM @1.3GHz | RAM: 16GB Corsair Vengeance LP DDR3 1600 | SSD 1: Corsair Force 3 120GB (SATA 6) | SSD 2: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB (SATA 6) | Hybrid disc: Seagate Momentus Hybrid 500/4GB (SATA 3) | Keyboard: QPAD MK-85 | Mouse: QPAD 5K LE | TrackIR 5 + Track Clip Pro | Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog | MFG Crosswind | OS: Win7/64
effte Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 In the simulator, your view is by necessity monocular. In the real aircraft, the gunsight is monocular. Hence, for the sight to work as intended, your monocular simulator view has to be that of the right eye. ----- Introduction to UTM/MGRS - Trying to get your head around what trim is, how it works and how to use it? - DCS helos vs the real world.
Isegrim Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 My view was always centered in the Dora but yesterday i had to reset my snapviews. Now its also lined up with the Gunsight. "Blyat Naaaaa" - Izlom
El Hadji Posted August 8, 2014 Author Posted August 8, 2014 Can't I just move my head to get the same effect? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My computer specs below: CPU: Intel Core i5 3570K@4.2GHz | CPU Cooler: Corsair Hydro H100 | GPU: MSI Nvidia GTX 680 2GB Lightning 2GB VRAM @1.3GHz | RAM: 16GB Corsair Vengeance LP DDR3 1600 | SSD 1: Corsair Force 3 120GB (SATA 6) | SSD 2: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB (SATA 6) | Hybrid disc: Seagate Momentus Hybrid 500/4GB (SATA 3) | Keyboard: QPAD MK-85 | Mouse: QPAD 5K LE | TrackIR 5 + Track Clip Pro | Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog | MFG Crosswind | OS: Win7/64
MACADEMIC Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 Can't I just move my head to get the same effect? That works but would be unnatural. Best would be to have center view as default and a keyboard command to toggle into gunsight view and back to center. Not sure if that's implemented in DCS, but if not we should ask for it. MAC
El Hadji Posted August 8, 2014 Author Posted August 8, 2014 Could snapviews work for that maybe? I just find it a bit awkward not having the image centered when flying but perhaps that is just me feeling like that. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My computer specs below: CPU: Intel Core i5 3570K@4.2GHz | CPU Cooler: Corsair Hydro H100 | GPU: MSI Nvidia GTX 680 2GB Lightning 2GB VRAM @1.3GHz | RAM: 16GB Corsair Vengeance LP DDR3 1600 | SSD 1: Corsair Force 3 120GB (SATA 6) | SSD 2: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB (SATA 6) | Hybrid disc: Seagate Momentus Hybrid 500/4GB (SATA 3) | Keyboard: QPAD MK-85 | Mouse: QPAD 5K LE | TrackIR 5 + Track Clip Pro | Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog | MFG Crosswind | OS: Win7/64
MACADEMIC Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 Could snapviews work for that maybe? I just find it a bit awkward not having the image centered when flying but perhaps that is just me feeling like that. It is awkward and doesn't reflect the experience the Luftwaffe pilots had, of course they felt perfectly centered and were. It's just that we are condemned to be cyclops as simulator flyers. These mentioned toggle views would be the best solution in my opinon, but don't know if presently possible in DCS. MAC
_Hoss Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 View to gunsight is an option in IL2 Cliffs of Dover for German planes, put you a bit closer to gusight with head aligned to sight. Would be a good option for this plane too, as well as the Bf-109 when it's released. I imagine the Me-262 will need it too. BeoWolf Sempre Fortis
BladderBoy Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 I've also noticed that you can clip your view through the gun sight as well, which is a bit naff. I hope to see this fixed as well.
GregP Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 I'm using TrackIR5 and don't have this issue; when I center my view, it's perfectly centered in the cockpit, and I'm not looking directly through the gunsight. I have to shift my head to the right in order to see the reticle. But you guys are saying that you're seeing the opposite? Strange.
Altflieger Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 Agree with GregP, have tir4 with latest tir5 software and have centred view.
MACADEMIC Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 The point is, you shouldn't have to lean over to have gunsight view. A toggle command would be better to switch between center and gunsight view. I asked Erich Brunotte if he had to lean over to aim, and he couldn't stop laughing. MAC
El Hadji Posted August 8, 2014 Author Posted August 8, 2014 I'm using TrackIR5 and latest software as well. I own all modules except the Mi-8 but the Dora is the only module I get this in. To be honest I'm getting used to it. Just out of curiousity, why did the germans use this kind of optics? What are the benefits of having the sight off-centre? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My computer specs below: CPU: Intel Core i5 3570K@4.2GHz | CPU Cooler: Corsair Hydro H100 | GPU: MSI Nvidia GTX 680 2GB Lightning 2GB VRAM @1.3GHz | RAM: 16GB Corsair Vengeance LP DDR3 1600 | SSD 1: Corsair Force 3 120GB (SATA 6) | SSD 2: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB (SATA 6) | Hybrid disc: Seagate Momentus Hybrid 500/4GB (SATA 3) | Keyboard: QPAD MK-85 | Mouse: QPAD 5K LE | TrackIR 5 + Track Clip Pro | Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog | MFG Crosswind | OS: Win7/64
GregP Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 Agreed that it would be nice to have a 'lean to sight' command, a la IL-2, but it seems that most of the previous posters were saying that their default centered view is in fact already lined up with the gunsight, and therefore is not directly along the centerline of the aircraft, causing the cockpit frame to appear off-center.
MACADEMIC Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 Agreed that it would be nice to have a 'lean to sight' command, a la IL-2, but it seems that most of the previous posters were saying that their default centered view is in fact already lined up with the gunsight, and therefore is not directly along the centerline of the aircraft, causing the cockpit frame to appear off-center. Yes, the asymetrical view aligned with the gunsight appears to be the default position, not ideal except when you need the gunsight. MAC
Narushima Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 Just out of curiousity, why did the germans use this kind of optics? What are the benefits of having the sight off-centre? Read this: http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/26683-german-sights/?p=299237 FW 190 Dora performance charts: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=128354
El Hadji Posted August 8, 2014 Author Posted August 8, 2014 Thank you Narushima. Interesting reading! The new question is: why didn't the Allied fighters use this as well? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My computer specs below: CPU: Intel Core i5 3570K@4.2GHz | CPU Cooler: Corsair Hydro H100 | GPU: MSI Nvidia GTX 680 2GB Lightning 2GB VRAM @1.3GHz | RAM: 16GB Corsair Vengeance LP DDR3 1600 | SSD 1: Corsair Force 3 120GB (SATA 6) | SSD 2: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB (SATA 6) | Hybrid disc: Seagate Momentus Hybrid 500/4GB (SATA 3) | Keyboard: QPAD MK-85 | Mouse: QPAD 5K LE | TrackIR 5 + Track Clip Pro | Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog | MFG Crosswind | OS: Win7/64
MACADEMIC Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 Read this: http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/26683-german-sights/?p=299237 Hm...this raises some interesting questions. Quote is from the above quoted topic (highlight by me): As I said: stereoscopic vision magic trick. A pilot sitting in the cockpit of a german fighter and looking straight ahead and focusing on the infinite (well, far beyond) would have that sight perfectly lined up with his right eye. His left eye would give him a view without a sight in the middle, his right eye would give him a view with a sight in the middle. The brain would naturally process both images and mix them up naturally (as I say, old habits are hard to lose, I had to fight out 32 years of my brain "shutting down" my right eye, those pilots would've had to fight out more than a decade of mixing both images no matter how different they were). The "virtual image" created in the brain had both a sight, and didn't have a sight. They did indeed SEE the sight and aim with it, but they also indeed NOT SEE the sight so their forward vision was impaired. The brain naturally chose the most "useful" image in each moment without the pilot even noticing. And adding to that the "virtual image" the pilot's brain created from both eyes put the sight in the middle. What the pilots saw when focusing their sight dead ahead.... was that they had that sight IN THE MIDDLE!!!!!!! Erich Brunotte said to me he was completely sure the gunsight was precisely in the middle, not right of center. This truly explains it. Now...how about we simulate this effect as the cyclops we are in the simulation, and instead of leaning over, or adjusting our 'one' eye to be in line with the Revi, we just project the image the Revi gives our 'right eye' into the center position, where we are? The Revi can stay where it is, we can stay in the center, but we see, at the plane of the Revi's glass, but as we would in the real world, the gunsight image in the middle? IMO, this would serve the purpose best of simulating how it would be in the real thing. Hasn't been done like this before, but perhaps it should! Your thoughts? MAC
rubblebeam Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 Hm...this raises some interesting questions. Quote is from the above quoted topic (highlight by me): Erich Brunotte said to me he was completely sure the gunsight was precisely in the middle, not right of center. This truly explains it. Now...how about we simulate this effect as the cyclops we are in the simulation, and instead of leaning over, or adjusting our 'one' eye to be in line with the Revi, we just project the image the Revi gives our 'right eye' into the center position, where we are? The Revi can stay where it is, we can stay in the center, but we see, at the plane of the Revi's glass, but as we would in the real world, the gunsight image in the middle? IMO, this would serve the purpose best of simulating how it would be in the real thing. Hasn't been done like this before, but perhaps it should! Your thoughts? MAC So you want a crosshair to the side of the revi floating in mid air? Why not just remove the revi too. Then the bar, then why not remove the whole cockpit and just have the crosshair. Good Grief
El Hadji Posted August 9, 2014 Author Posted August 9, 2014 That wouldn't simulate the effect Mac is after, would it... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My computer specs below: CPU: Intel Core i5 3570K@4.2GHz | CPU Cooler: Corsair Hydro H100 | GPU: MSI Nvidia GTX 680 2GB Lightning 2GB VRAM @1.3GHz | RAM: 16GB Corsair Vengeance LP DDR3 1600 | SSD 1: Corsair Force 3 120GB (SATA 6) | SSD 2: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB (SATA 6) | Hybrid disc: Seagate Momentus Hybrid 500/4GB (SATA 3) | Keyboard: QPAD MK-85 | Mouse: QPAD 5K LE | TrackIR 5 + Track Clip Pro | Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog | MFG Crosswind | OS: Win7/64
Narushima Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 Hm...this raises some interesting questions. Quote is from the above quoted topic (highlight by me): Erich Brunotte said to me he was completely sure the gunsight was precisely in the middle, not right of center. This truly explains it. Now...how about we simulate this effect as the cyclops we are in the simulation, and instead of leaning over, or adjusting our 'one' eye to be in line with the Revi, we just project the image the Revi gives our 'right eye' into the center position, where we are? The Revi can stay where it is, we can stay in the center, but we see, at the plane of the Revi's glass, but as we would in the real world, the gunsight image in the middle? IMO, this would serve the purpose best of simulating how it would be in the real thing. Hasn't been done like this before, but perhaps it should! Your thoughts? MAC It's actually very easy to see how the pilots saw the sights. Just stick out 1 finger in front of your right eye (about 20 cm) and look ahead. This finger is your gun sight. Now initially, nothing really happens, you just see a semi transparent finger in front of your right eye. Now think to yourself "I want to aim through my finger" and BAM, magic, your finger is now in the middle of your vision (with a very faint duplicate on the right). Use your left eye for this test if you're one of the 1/3 of population that has their left eye as the dominant eye. And I agree, no sim has actually simulated this properly. I hope they figure something out. Also, I think this should be possible with VR goggles, as they offer stereoscopic vision. FW 190 Dora performance charts: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=128354
GregP Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 Yes, the asymetrical view aligned with the gunsight appears to be the default position, not ideal except when you need the gunsight. MAC OK, and, the point I was originally trying to make, is that not everyone who's using TrackIR is having this 'problem': myself and Altflieger, at least, do not have an off-center default TrackIR view. Our default view is centered relative to the cockpit frame, and we have to lean right to see through the gunsight.
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