Dora ammo belts and munitions

[JST]

I remember someone asking about the R4M rockets for the Dora, though I can't remember whether their inclusion was confirmed or not. Can any devs shed light on this? Did the Dora also support the 21cm WrGr?

 

But my main questions regard the ammo for MG151's/131's.

 

What rounds do the current belts consist of? I know the MG151 has atleast the Mineshell and an AP shell, and MG131 also having some HE and AP rounds.

 

Are there any plans for other belts or maybe even customization?

From what I know, tracerless setups were quite common, atleast for 109's, but that must come down to pilot preference.

 

Which leads us to tracer colour. The current tracers are extremely saturated and bright, not to mention the colours that seem odd.

My knowledge is that the MG131 only had a weakly red tracer, while the MG151 tracer was white/weakly yellow, though I have heard of special tracer rounds for nightfighters.

[leapingrodent]

I would love to see belt customization at some point, not just for the Dora but for all aircraft. It was one of my favorite features in CLoD. It has probably been discussed before and I don't know if ED has any plans to include such a feature but if they are I would imagine it would be after EDGE, rest of the warbirds and the WWII map, but who knows.

[fastfreddie]

Night tracers had reduced brightness because they would effect pilots night vision if they were too bright. As far as the 21cm mortar tubes .. I'll check to see if any D-9 combat units really used them but most Fw190 A versions had removed most of them for many reasons. Very short range, greatly reduced combat effectiveness of the aircraft, and they were ineffective in combat. They were very hard to aim and had very few successes.

[Narushima]

A complete manual on LW munitions used during 1936-1945 can be found here:

 

http://www.lexpev.nl/downloads/handbuchderflugzeugbordwaffenmunition19361945.pdf

[JST]

Devs don't have any input on this?

[Flagrum]

Currently in DCS there are these munitions (and tracer colours) defined for the FW190:

 

MG 131: APT (green), API (yellow), HEI (white)

MG 151/20: HEI_T (crimson), API (yellow), Minengeschoss (white)

 

The odd thing is that each round is in fact a tracer round ... perhaps a beta thing? See the configuration of the ammo belts - those suggest that only HEI-T and APT should be in fact tracer rounds, right?

 

 

And a question here: what is the difference between a HEI round and a Minengeschoss? HEI has some (additional?) casing for the incendiary effect?

 

edit:

... and btw, the ammo belts are as follows (if I read the lua correctly):

MG 131: APT, API, API, HEI, HEI

MG 151/20: HEI-T, API, MGesch, API

Edited October 26, 2014 by Flagrum

[JST]

Mineshell is uniquely manufactured with a pressed, thin shell covering the explosive, unlike the traditional way of drilling a hole into a whole shell and applying filler there. More boom with mineshells.

 

But I'm just assuming the HEI-T shell is the latter.

 

Thanks, the tracer thing is indeed weird.

[Yo-Yo]

Currently in DCS there are these munitions (and tracer colours) defined for the FW190:

 

MG 131: APT (green), API (yellow), HEI (white)

MG 151/20: HEI_T (crimson), API (yellow), Minengeschoss (white)

 

The odd thing is that each round is in fact a tracer round ... perhaps a beta thing? See the configuration of the ammo belts - those suggest that only HEI-T and APT should be in fact tracer rounds, right?

 

 

And a question here: what is the difference between a HEI round and a Minengeschoss? HEI has some (additional?) casing for the incendiary effect?

 

edit:

... and btw, the ammo belts are as follows (if I read the lua correctly):

MG 131: APT, API, API, HEI, HEI

MG 151/20: HEI-T, API, MGesch, API

 

Tracer colour is masked with another parameter so it works only for proper rounds. Colors are determined for debugging.

[Flagrum]

Tracer colour is masked with another parameter so it works only for proper rounds. Colors are determined for debugging.

Ah, okay. Yes, now that you said it ... "scale_tracer" - got it! :o) Thanks!

 

So, truth is, the HEI-T and the APT are the only tracer rounds.

 

 

... aaaand I messed up with the ammo belts as well. They are rather defined like this:

 

MG 131: APT (green), API, HEI, API

MG 151/20: HEI_T (crimson), API, API, MGesch, MGesch

[ZaltysZ]

And a question here: what is the difference between a HEI round and a Minengeschoss? HEI has some (additional?) casing for the incendiary effect?

 

HEI: around 2g of explosives + around 2g of incendiary charge. MinenG: around 18g of explosives.

[otavio]

Another question, is the ammo count on the Dora correct?