MiG 21 vs modern fighters

[lucien]

nice one, you were way out in the open, but you caught him off guard and made him feel like running away rather than fighting back, using the enemies panic worked :D

 

did you manage to escape from that flat scary place alive?

 

also, whats with that awacs monitor thing? do i have that? seems kinda cheating to me? mind you, against aim-120c's nothing is cheating lol

 

I don't mind somewhat flat women, but when it comes to staying alive in the mig-21, flying over flat land is like continuously launching fireworks that can be seen from 150km away... i only do it when I'm using myself as bait, so that's why i find that position scary.

 

anyway, good kill, better than mine was... first missile loses radar, 2nd dumb fires, end up having to use my guns cause i can't figure out the R-60Ms....

 

I didn't even notice it while I was flying. Think I would have been a lot less disoriented if I had used it. Apparently its some sort of constant awacs picture that some missions use. This was on 159.

 

And yeah lol I was out in the open with no mountains in sight, felt a little ballsy with an F-15 behind me I guess. Either that or my flight planner was trying to kill me :megalol:

 

I wish my first fighter kill would have been a guns kill, that's a whole lot more impressive than blindly firing missiles like I. I grabbed my mouse so quick when I fired that last missile cause I was sure it was going to miss lol

 

But yes, I made it back to my home plate safely.

Edited November 20, 2014 by lucien

[Hadwell]

why did you need to grab your mouse?

 

[QuiGon]

There are people without a HOTAS joystick and then there are people (like me) who have a HOTAS joystick but prefer to click on the radar buttons because that's how it is done IRL since the MiG-21 has no HOTAS-controls for those functions ;)

[Hadwell]

There are people without a HOTAS joystick and then there are people (like me) who have a HOTAS joystick but prefer to click on the radar buttons because that's how it is done IRL since the MiG-21 has no HOTAS-controls for those functions ;)

 

 

the thing is, if your sitting in a cockpit, you're not grabbing a mouse, then dragging it over to the switch, then trying not to move your head so you can actually click as many times as you have to to get to the nob position you want.

 

in real life, you reach up, turn the nob, thats it.

 

HOTAS is far closer to real life than mouse click, both in the time it takes, and physical movement required.

Edited November 20, 2014 by Hadwell

[lucien]

I have HOTAS(CH Fighterstick, CH Pro Throttle, CH Pro Pedals), I just haven't thought of the way I want to map all of the weapons controls yet. I prefer to keep the HOTAS to what the pilots would use, but you're right, I'm not in an actual cockpit so I can't just click something. However, I was thinking to map them to the keyboard instead, a quick little hot key. Either that or get a switchboard.

 

 

Also, I wanted to ask if you like Oculus Rift. I am going to pick up the finished product once it comes around. Can you dogfight with it?

Edited November 20, 2014 by lucien

[Hadwell]

yeah i was thinking about investing in a couple of those cheap saitek switchboards, like this one

 

 

the switches wouldn't be in even close to the same places as they are in the real pit, so not really any better than hotas... how the heck do they use the radar and fly at the same time with it on the right side like that? all mig-21 pilots required to be ambidextrous?

[lucien]

yeah i was thinking about investing in a couple of those cheap saitek switchboards, like this one

 

 

the switches wouldn't be in even close to the same places as they are in the real pit, so not really any better than hotas... how the heck do they use the radar and fly at the same time with it on the right side like that? all mig-21 pilots required to be ambidextrous?

 

 

telekensis maybe

 

$90 not bad. I'm fresh out of USB ports so I'd have to wait for my next hardware update to even think about that.

 

and tbh I just don't have enough buttons for everything. If you can cram it all into your HOTAS I would. Problem is if I do it I'll leave some pieces out, so I may as well leave some of the less essential stuff off my stick and just click it. I know I need to map the 3 jammer buttons onto my stick, though.

 

What GPU you running anyway?

[Hadwell]

I have an i7 2600k@4.6GHz, 8gb g.skill ram, and a GTX780

 

I suggest you turn HDR off, all it does is make everything either too blue, or too bright, and makes your youtube movies look hazy, also uses gpu power just to make you feel like your in constant foggy hazy brightness

 

you can't ID planes with the rift, but it's clear enough to use the radar and iff them, but you'd really need a pair of gtx980s to get decent framerates with it, though if you don't mind getting lows of 20 fps a gtx780 will do, also you need to modify some files to make the text in game green (since green is the highest resolution subpixel on the dk2) and make the fonts bigger.

 

not worth it to buy a rift just for DCS, not with DCS as the main reason for buying one.

 

if you want to get a rift to have the whole DK2 experience then it's cool, but not for dcs.

Edited November 20, 2014 by Hadwell

[lucien]

I have an i7 2600k@4.6GHz, 8gb g.skill ram, and a GTX780

 

I suggest you turn HDR off, all it does is make everything either too blue, or too bright, and makes your youtube movies look hazy, also uses gpu power just to make you feel like your in constant foggy hazy brightness

 

you can't ID planes with the rift, but it's clear enough to use the radar and iff them, but you'd really need a pair of gtx980s to get decent framerates with it, though if you don't mind getting lows of 20 fps a gtx780 will do, also you need to modify some files to make the text in game green (since green is the highest resolution subpixel on the dk2) and make the fonts bigger.

 

not worth it to buy a rift just for DCS, not with DCS as the main reason for buying one.

 

if you want to get a rift to have the whole DK2 experience then it's cool, but not for dcs.

 

Yes I just turned the HDR off thank you very much. Helped a lot. Came close to killing a su-27 just now, 5km out had him defensive, just launched my second R-3R when a SA-15 site taught me a lesson lol. So disappointed.

 

Do you figure you will be able to ID planes with the final version? I'd expect they're planning to optimize it a lot more before release. And 20 frames for GTX 780 is mind boggling, so once again I hope they optimize A LOT. Yes I wanted it more for the experience, but DCS is what consumes most of my time so I'd use it on that as well.

 

Do you get motion sickness from it?

[Hadwell]

the final version.... probably... but computers won't be fast enough for many years (5+), if the dk2 is any indication.

 

expect to see a lot of extremely light weight, simple things... compared to DCS... for the foreseeable future...

 

I personally don't get motion sickness in DCS, I do in some games.

 

The reasons why people get motion sickness from VR are varied and differ from person to person, while i might not get sick in DCS, someone else might, and in other games, while i get sick playing them, that same someone else might not.

 

anyway, this is kinda not on the same topic as killing modern fighters with the mig-21...

Edited November 21, 2014 by Hadwell

[lucien]

the final version.... probably... but computers won't be fast enough for many years (5+), if the dk2 is any indication.

 

expect to see a lot of extremely light weight, simple things... compared to DCS... for the foreseeable future...

 

I personally don't get motion sickness in DCS, I do in some games.

 

The reasons why people get motion sickness from VR are varied and differ from person to person, while i might not get sick in DCS, someone else might, and in other games, while i get sick playing them, that same someone else might not.

 

anyway, this is kinda not on the same topic as killing modern fighters with the mig-21...

 

Yes you're right.

 

On topic

 

I'm having better luck with your strategy. Also turned HDR off and it looks a lot better imo.

 

It seems like its only us in this thread =/

[Hadwell]

you've almost got it except what you needed to do was get a mountain between you and him, instead, even though he was behind you, you went for the hill infront of you.

That's why he had a constant radar lock on you right up untill that friendly passed between you and him and he switched targets.

 

remember you need to turn into him, so that the hill you end up hiding behind blocks him from you.

 

but i think lots of people are reading this, just not replying.

 

not too many people go out and try to get kills with this thing... online anyway...

 

on-wards and up-wards, next goal: 2-kill sortie.

Edited November 21, 2014 by Hadwell

[lucien]

you've almost got it except what you needed to do was get a mountain between you and him, instead, even though he was behind you, you went for the hill infront of you.

That's why he had a constant radar lock on you right up untill that friendly passed between you and him and he switched targets.

 

remember you need to turn into him, so that the hill you end up hiding behind blocks him from you.

 

but i think lots of people are reading this, just not replying.

 

not too many people go out and try to get kills with this thing... online anyway...

 

 

 

I guessed the best thing to do was to just go defensive and dive for the closest mountain. I wasn't expecting him to lock me up, I thought that was just a buddy spike at first. At the time I was purely thinking re-position and ambush

 

From what I could tell he fired a 120 and brought his attention to my ally. Ally told me I saved his ass because he had his back to him as I fired.

 

I'll use your advice next flight.

 

One thing I noticed was I seem to be more focused on the radar than the actual enemy. Need to work on that

 

Yes this MiG is a lost art I suppose. Its like a classic car.

Edited November 21, 2014 by lucien

[Hadwell]

I guessed the best thing to do was to just go defensive and dive for the closest mountain. I wasn't expecting him to lock me up, I thought that was just a buddy spike at first. At the time I was purely thinking re-position and ambush

 

From what I could tell he fired a 120 and brought his attention to my ally. Ally told me I saved his ass because he had his back to him as I fired.

 

I'll use your advice next flight.

 

yep, because you did that you saved his ass, but imagine if he wasn't there, it'd been you instead of him needing saving :P

[Hadwell]

it's like those whack-a-mole games, except, you play as the mole... the thing is... instead of letting yourself get whacked, as soon as the hammer comes down, you blast it to bits...

[lucien]

yep, because you did that you saved his ass, but imagine if he wasn't there, it'd been you instead of him needing saving :P

 

I have a hard time believing that F-15 would have been able to catch me :lol: my ego in that mig is too big

 

it's like those whack-a-mole games, except, you play as the mole... the thing is... instead of letting yourself get whacked, as soon as the hammer comes down, you blast it to bits...

 

lol thats a very very good metaphor actually

[Hadwell]

I tried to use the angler fish as a metaphor, it uses roughly the same tactics... just it's prey are smaller than it usually...

 

whack-a-mole (if he doesn't kill you first) is a much better metaphor for sure.

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambush_predator

 

Edited November 21, 2014 by Hadwell

[*Rage*]

Great thread. Its motivated me to start taking some R3-R instead off R60s when I take the mig. Also seems to me the radar is not as bad as I initially thought.

[HellToupee]

I take a pair of R3Rs and a pair of r60s, get most kills with the r3r.

[ff4life4]

I take a pair of R3Rs and a pair of r60s, get most kills with the r3r.

 

I do th same. Pair of r3r and either 2 or 4 r60m. I get most kills with r3r but if i end up in really close, or I'm below them and I want to sneak up on them r60m is best

[mpdugas]

 

but i think lots of people are reading this, just not replying.

 

 

...and you would be right...

[PiedDroit]

...and you would be right...

Super right! I almost never play online PvP so I can't reply anything useful, but this thread is so interesting, keep going guys :thumbup:

It's even starting to motivate me to give it a try.

I also thought that the R-60M would be the best missile to fight against modern fighters, it seems I was wrong since the radar allows to get a better lock.

My main problem with this ship is that it goes blind as soon as it's locked, I found great hints to solve this here.

Now I must practice ;)

Edited November 23, 2014 by PiedDroit

[lucien]

Been busy with work :P MiG-21 is officially OP ED needs to nerf ASAP :megalol::lol:

 

I was able to take out an F-15C and a Su-27 on 104. This is beginning to feel almost too easy. Love this bird so much.

 

They didn't maneuver very much. Wish they had put up more of a fight. Both missiles hit at 5km+ though

 

 

I tried to use the angler fish as a metaphor, it uses roughly the same tactics... just it's prey are smaller than it usually...

 

whack-a-mole (if he doesn't kill you first) is a much better metaphor for sure.

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambush_predator

 

 

lol very good video but MiG is amphibious predator. All great Russian aircraft are named after fisheys. Fishbed? Duh

 

 

Great thread. Its motivated me to start taking some R3-R instead off R60s when I take the mig. Also seems to me the radar is not as bad as I initially thought.

 

 

I take a pair of R3Rs and a pair of r60s, get most kills with the r3r.

 

 

I do th same. Pair of r3r and either 2 or 4 r60m. I get most kills with r3r but if i end up in really close, or I'm below them and I want to sneak up on them r60m is best

 

I was thinking the same thing. The radar was giving me lots of problems when I first started. I guess its best to learn how to work with it. And all I'm taking now are R-3R tbh. Plan to try the other radar guided missiles a bit more but no time soon(having too much fun lol). R-55 specifically( I think they're called)

 

tbh up to this point I'll take an R-3R over an R-73 anyday lol

 

...and you would be right...

 

Super right! I almost never play online PvP so I can't reply anything useful, but this thread is so interesting, keep going guys :thumbup:

It's even starting to motivate me to give it a try.

I also thought that the R-60M would be the best missile to fight against modern fighters, it seems I was wrong since the radar allows to get a better lock.

My main problem with this ship is that it goes blind as soon as it's locked, I found great hints to solve this here.

Now I must practice ;)

 

This thread has helped me tons as well.

Edited November 23, 2014 by lucien

[Hadwell]

your video set to private, can't watch it here.

[lucien]

your video set to private, can't watch it here.

 

fixed that, sorry.