MiG 21 vs modern fighters

[PiedDroit]

Hehe I had this situation yesterday, I was lining up for a gun shot and the bandit was destroyed by an unannounced fox3, it was super close to me.

 

I'll try with more radar next time.

[ttaylor0024]

And people wonder how we get kills in the mig 21 lol

 

I used the black cockpit mod before. It looks AMAZING

[Hadwell]

so here i fire a R-3R at 12KM-ish, it hits no problem, cause it's head-on (as far as i can tell).

 

[kmstewart64]

Hadwell,

 

What was your loadout on this flight?

 

Keith "MORG" Stewart

[Hadwell]

Hadwell,

 

What was your loadout on this flight?

 

Keith "MORG" Stewart

 

I took two R-3R and two R-13M1, center 800L, I didn't use one of my R-13M1s, landed with it.

Edited February 18, 2015 by Hadwell

[kmstewart64]

2 more kills today on the 104th server plus 1 from yesterday. Y'all have taught me well! Lots of fun!

 

Keith "MORG" Stewart

[ttaylor0024]

I have a really good idea for a video, but it will take a lot of time for it to be successful. I may try it out tonight.

[Hadwell]

The first one, I basically saw him on my RWR, so I dove down below a mountain, flew around it, then crested over it, he doesn't even lock me,not sure if he was trying for a passive kill.

 

For the second one, I basically flew right at him, launched a missile, and supported it till it hit, then dove like a mad man, he does get a

missile off, but it misses me.

 

Third one, I saw a guy on my radar but couldn't lock him and saw him with the mk.1 eyeball for just a couple seconds, totally lost sight of him all together, but I already knew what direction he was going, so I was like well I can just sweep the horizon with my pipper and my IR missile will pick him up, and yep.

 

 

[tsb47]

The first one, I basically saw him on my RWR, so I dove down below a mountain, flew around it, then crested over it, he doesn't even lock me,not sure if he was trying for a passive kill.

 

For the second one, I basically flew right at him, launched a missile, and supported it till it hit, then dove like a mad man, he does get a

missile off, but it misses me.

 

Third one, I saw a guy on my radar but couldn't lock him and saw him with the mk.1 eyeball for just a couple seconds, totally lost sight of him all together, but I already knew what direction he was going, so I was like well I can just sweep the horizon with my pipper and my IR missile will pick him up, and yep.

 

 

 

This is champagne flying - awesome work Hadwell! That last one in particular is genius.

[kmstewart64]

What's the best way to find the enemy in the Mig 21?

 

MORG

[tsb47]

Wish I could help.

 

My experience is usually:

1. takeoff.

2. explode.

3. lobby.

[Hadwell]

Well all you gotta do is switch to their team and find out where their ground targets and airfields are and fly back and forth between them and your airfield... On the 104th server anyway

[PFunk1606688187]

^ Thats not a cynical strategy at all.

[Hadwell]

either that, or you can just learn it by flying past bullseye, end result is the same, just saves you the trial and error by switching teams and checking, there are only so many missions on the 104th server, eventually no matter how shitty you are at the game you'd get it memorized.]

 

and no matter how much you might think its cynical, people DO go the same way every single time, i think my 20 or so mig-21 youtube videos I recorded on the 104th prove that.

 

 

and another one, but not against modern fighters, just figured i'd post it with this reply here

Edited February 23, 2015 by Hadwell

[PFunk1606688187]

So what you're saying is that the key to success in the Mig-21 versus 4th gen fighters face off is capitalizing on the complacency and incompetence of your opponents.

[Hadwell]

basically surprise is the key, yeah. the mig-21 is inferior as a hunk of metal compared to an F-15, but there are situations that allow for the mig-21 to win, and they have to do with brains, finding out where and when to attack, when to run... and using every advantage you have, and not allowing them to use theirs.

Edited February 23, 2015 by Hadwell

[GGTharos]

It has mostly to do with more modern jet pilots thinking they're driving lawn-mowers, instead of taking advantage of their look-down capability.

[Hadwell]

It has mostly to do with more modern jet pilots thinking they're driving lawn-mowers, instead of taking advantage of their look-down capability.

 

umm don't lawnmowers only cut things beneath them? :P

 

and actually has a lot to do with not having awacs too, since the mig-21 is pretty well radio controlled.

Edited February 23, 2015 by Hadwell

[Hadwell]

another way to put it is... if you see a big guy whose fist probably weighs as much as you, you have to fight him to get past him, do you try to fight him face to face, bare handed? noooo you probably run.... and find a way to beat him without getting your teeth bashed in...

do the same with the mig-21... someone's constantly pinging you and locking you, run, someone doesn't see you or is ignoring you, keep going....

Edited February 23, 2015 by Hadwell

[GGTharos]

Lawnmowers cut grass.

 

As for the fighting the bigger guy thing, I haven't run into a MiG-21 that was able to be a threat, close to (my) heater range, or escape if I wanted to pursue (but this has to do with pursuit methods, so to be fair, I wouldn't pursue one if I wasn't already coming after it in a supersonic dive).

 

Regarding the AWACS/GCI, it'd be great, but it's not a one-sided thing.

 

Then again, this is just an opinion piece :D

Edited February 23, 2015 by GGTharos

[Hadwell]

 

Regarding the AWACS/GCI, it'd be great, but it's not a one-sided thing.

 

it gets rid of a lot of the disadvantages the mig-21 has when it comes to finding targets, doesn't help as much for the modern planes, lets say it evens the playing field a bit more, key is "bit more"

[GGTharos]

It helps modern fighters quite a bit. The only thing that's even things out is people's tendency to drive lawnmowers. They give up the superiority of their systems because they either feel safer in the valleys, or they believe that flying low is 'cool'. The only effect this has for them is to take a lot of this combat into WVR, where the playing field does indeed even out for the MiG-21, or even gives it a slight edge due to low visibility.

 

it gets rid of a lot of the disadvantages the mig-21 has when it comes to finding targets, doesn't help as much for the modern planes, lets say it evens the playing field a bit more, key is "bit more"

[Hadwell]

yeah the only time i'd climb to catch a target is if they didn't know i was there, i knew i could catch them, and/or I knew where at least one friendly was...

 

totally different styles of flying, each with their own rules :P

 

 

but i mean... the F-15s radar has a 200km range, and the mig-21 has a 30km radar range, thats without awacs...

 

 

With awacs, the f-15s and the mig-21s effective radar range is 300km.

 

doesn't give anyone an advantage, but it does take away one of the disadvantages of the mig-21.

 

and you can't say it's low(no pun intended :D), i mean... anyone that shoots down a mig-21, bvr, knowing full well their plane is far superior, and still says the way I just barely manage to survive combat in the mig-21 is bad, is a hypocrite...

Edited February 23, 2015 by Hadwell

[Paradox]

So what you're saying is that the key to success in the Mig-21 versus 4th gen fighters face off is capitalizing on the complacency and incompetence of your opponents.

 

Much like in real warfare!

[kmstewart64]

One thing I've learned is that when I get overconfident in the Mig 21 and try and turn with a modern fighter that has me locked up I will die! For me, the best I can do in that situation is light the burner and stay as low as I can and get out of the area then come back another way and try again. I have no HOTAS and no TrackIR so being able to "see" the bandit is difficult at best. I'm usually heads down in the radar so no turning fights for me ... shoot and scoot!

 

MORG