I am rubbish :-(

[Mizzy]

I can't get to take off with these WWII airplanes. No matter how much I try, it's just useless. Is there going to be an easy mode for people like me ?

 

Mizzy

[9.JG27 DavidRed]

keep on trying never give up....btw, i thought there already is a "easy mode"

[Nooch]

Set take off assistance to 100 in the options menu. It's under the farthest tab on the right

[Highfox]

I can't get to take off with these WWII airplanes. No matter how much I try, it's just useless. Is there going to be an easy mode for people like me ?

 

Mizzy

I had a lot of trouble with take-off to at first.

I go full power and then let the brakes off, no flaps and little stabs of the rudder left and right, centre the stick when you have enough speed and she should start to climb, just as it lifts I normally need some rudder to stop the wing drop... Not perfect but it seems to work for me most of the time ;)

[arthuro12]

Just keep trying mate, I know arcade mode can save you a lot of headaches (and maybe some swearing) but in the end, "realistic mode" is way more rewarding. Just keep at it! If you find yourself failing too much in a row, load up an airstart mission and wreck some transports =)

 

It took me about a week of cartwheeling and nosegrinding but even I made it!

 

Hang in there and have faith!

[NeilWillis]

It just takes lots and lots of practice. Start with the options slider set to 100% asist, and then after you can handle that, gradually slide it towards the realistic setting until you really get to grips with them.

 

Tail draggers are just very difficult because the centre of gravity is so far behind the main undercarriage legs. The key is to keep it going in a straight line by very early corrections. \once it gets to a certain point, there is no getting it back under control.

[Flagrum]

What helped me a bit: if I got frustrated (and that happened a lot in the beginning ;o), I just took a break. Just don't try to force it ... too hard.

 

I usually came back to it after a few days - because of that nagging voice in the back of my head "You really can't do that, eh? Everybody is able to do that eventually ... and you want to give up?" ... heck, NO WAY! :o)

 

This worked for me for every aircraft so far. Bought the Blackshark, got massively annoyed with it, bought the A-10C instead. That went a bit better. Came back to the BS several months later - and finally got grips on it. The Huey killed me 11/10 attempts in the beginning (well, it was during beta). VRS, VRS, VRS, VRS ... but after taking a break a few times during these weeks, I got better and better each time (ok, the FM evolved quite a bit as well). Now it is my favorite helo to fly (not necessarily to fight with). The Mi-8 ... that is an other story and off topic here .... but the experience with Fw-190 was similar to that with the Huey: align on runway, full throttle, crash at the left side of the runway. Rinse and repeat - for quite a while. Got fed up with it, took a break, read up about the experiences of others, tried to apply the new gathered insights ... a bit better, got into the air before I crashed! lol ... and so on. But then, somehow it made *click* and I knew what I was doing wrong and could work on that specifically. Now I can take off and land the Dora - not looking pretty, but usually I survive. :o)

[arthuro12]

^^this^^

 

Also remember, the Luftwaffe suffered immense casualties during take off and landing.. so I guess ED did their job correctly.

[ophiuchus]

I had similar experiences as well. But I never tried to use takeoff assistant at P-51 or the Dora. Just keep practicing. It remainds me very much learning to ride a bike, at some point it just clicks, and ther you go ;) Fly Mustang for a while, since it's a bit easier to handle during takeoff.

[txmtb]

Like everyone says, I think I had 30+ crashes in a day when the 109 came out, it was frustrating day. Took a lot of attempts to become semi proficient, now I changed controllers and it's almost like going back to square 1.

[9.JG27 DavidRed]

^^it was a frustrating day when the 109 came out?

i think every single word is wrong in that sentence :)

[txmtb]

^^it was a frustrating day when the 109 came out?

i think every single word is wrong in that sentence :)

 

 

I mixed up numbers!! 190 sound better? :doh: :music_whistling:

[Lizzard]

Mizzy..maybe it would be usefull to post a track from one of your take-off attemps..so we can see what went wrong.

 

Quick Guide

 

Full Throttle (be sure the tail wheel is staright)

compensate with rudders

after ca 5-7 sec lock the Tail Wheel (Stick full back)

keep kompensating with the rudders

at round about 150 km/h set stick slowly to neutral with a bit right aileron (Tail Wheel lifts)

the Dora starts to climb

keep compensating with all your controlls (she is very nervous at this stage)

after establishing a stable flight retract gear and flaps

Edited December 1, 2014 by Lizzard

[Boris]

I find it helps to trim the elevator down to the first mark forward for take-off. As you're holding the stick back to lock the tail wheel, the aircraft may lift too early, causing a stall. Trimming down a bit helps to keep the aircraft on the runway for longer, which means greater airspeed and a more stable take-off.

 

With controlled rudder inputs to keep the Dora straight I can usually achieve a nice gentle two wheel take-off.

[=Mac=]

I'm pretty good in the Mustang but the Dora, like everyone else here, has been a fussbudget to get on and off the ground.... as she should be: she's a tail dragger.

 

In my Pony, I slowly ramp up the prop until the tail comes up and then full throttle once we start to leave earth. (Always add in 2.5 t0 5 degrees rudder.)

 

I tried the same in the Dora who pitched a fit by immediately placing me upside down to the left of the runway (as a previous poster described. Hi Flagrum!) Then (my usual methodology) I watched Wags' video on how to do it. Of course, I still ended up upside down to the left. I ran out of cuss words so I quit for a while, crashed the P-51 a couple times to teach myself that these planes don't drive like a car.

 

Went back into the Dora and somehow managed to take off. I crashed doing some aerobatics so tried to take off again... no good. I was still trying to take off like an F-15.

 

Crash, crash, cuss, and crash some more until I got two take-offs in a row. Hell, I'm that slow at learning this???? Apparently.

 

I still haven't landed yet, but I know that, once we get the DCS SR-71 released in the winter of 2019, I'll be able to learn the lessons that Dora is trying to stuff into my thick head.

 

Conclusion: it's NOT the aircraft. It's YOU. You have to find out what type of love making she likes. Give her time; she'll treat you right once you understand the physics she goes by.

 

This is a Simulator. Not a game.

[gavagai]

^^this^^

 

Also remember, the Luftwaffe suffered immense casualties during take off and landing.. so I guess ED did their job correctly.

 

Any airforce will have a lot of takeoff and landing accidents when they operate from unimproved airstrips like those on the eastern front. It had little to do with the particular qualities of the 109 and 190.

 

[Mizzy]

Mizzy..maybe it would be usefull to post a track from one of your take-off attemps..so we can see what went wrong.

 

 

That is a good idea but I will look so stupid, however better to try and listen to others than to give up !

 

Mizzy

[Weta43]

Mizzy - I don't know if this is good advice or not, but rather than turning on the assistance, you could try hitting ALT+A a couple of times before you take off to get to 1/4 speed in the sim - it gives you more time to work out what you're trying to do.

Once you can take off at 1/4 speed, try half. then normal.

 

I did that a couple of times when the FW-190 first appeared in testing and had a flight model that was a LOT less refined than when it got to open beta

[arthuro12]

Any airforce will have a lot of takeoff and landing accidents when they operate from unimproved airstrips like those on the eastern front. It had little to do with the particular qualities of the 109 and 190

 

 

Really? I was refering to newer pilots, but it had to do with the actual conditions?

 

Cool, never knew!

[Lizzard]

That is a good idea but I will look so stupid,

 

Nobody looks stupid while learning to take off with the Dora..but if you don`t want to post a track..o.k.

[golani79]

haha .. this makes me thinking of my first steps in the Dora.

 

I jumped into flightsims about 3 months ago and pretty much started with the P-51 and the Dora.

Guess I´ve crashed a good amount of the production quantities till I was able to take off and also when I was learning how to land this birds.

 

Just don´t give up - you´ll get the hang of it. Believe me ;)

 

I´ve never used take-off assistance but after doing many things wrong and some research I was able to see what I was doing wrong and so I could correct those things.

 

This is how I take off:

 

 

• At TO I align with the runway and make sure that my tailwheel is aligned as well.
  
• Pull the stick back and slightly to the right
  
• Full power and slight right rudder adjustments (just don´t try to counter with left rudder if you have the feeling that you´ve given too much right rudder as this will cause you troubles / at least this is a lesson that I´ve learned for me)
  
• At around 150km/h slowly move the stick in a central position but keep it slightly to the right
  
• At around 200km/h take off (the Dora wants to roll to the left - so be aware of it)
  

[Flagrum]

That is a good idea but I will look so stupid, however better to try and listen to others than to give up !

 

Mizzy

Nobody will make fun of you as long as you are really trying. I bet that at least 95% of all Dora pilots "looked stupid" in the beginning :o) Just read all the threads about taking off and landing with the Dora.

 

But while it is very helpful to learn from the experiences of others, it might be even more helpfull if you get direct feedback - sometimes one just doesn't see the obvious, has a "blind spot" or something like that.

 

And a track is probably the second best way, after flying together in MP with a teacher, to get such a feedback.

 

Do it! :o)

[Mizzy]

Here is my latest attempt, I am on holiday today so thought I would give it another go. What am I doing wrong ?

 

Thank you everyone for help.

 

Mizzy

Dora take-off fail again.trk

[9.JG27 DavidRed]

^^for my taste you add power way too slowly!even if it sounds like a bad idea, but try if you do better with applying full power immediately...

 

also, at least on my machine the track shows you drifting to the right off the runway...but no indication of anything done to prevent this...no rudder i.e.

Edited December 2, 2014 by 9./JG27 DavidRed

[golani79]

I would give full throttle - and I think you might have given too much constant right rudder.

When you recognize that your nose is pulling to the right too much let go of the rudder a bit.

 

I made a track as well - probably not the prettiest take off but eventually it will help you.

 

You can display the control inputs with RCTRL + Enter

FW190_TO.trk