Any News?

[SilentGun]

Is there any updates or progress on this chopper? its been a while since we have seen anything changed or added.

[Devrim]

I wonder what he said, too.

[Mr. White]

If Belsimtek would only react to the bugs posted in the support forums to begin with.

[Buzzles]

They do push out updates. This is taken from the 1.2.15 official patch notes thread:

DCS: Mi-8MTV2 Magnificent Eight

• Cooling for the STG-3 starter-generator (APU start) has been installed. Now the starter is cooled much like in reality (consequently, it can burn out because of overheating)
  
• Minor bugs fixed.
  

Edited March 9, 2015 by NineLine
Removed quoted post due to rule violations

[EagleFox]

I didn't saw it. Thanks...but still it is in beta for long long time

[Toxic]

I would just like to hear a monthly or quarterly update on how the beta is coming along!

[msalama]

Not only the Hip, but the Huey is still missing features as well - and it's been out for some 2+ years already.

[Devrim]

Some friends were angry to me, when I complain about "beta module" and its disadvantages.

 

Now we see, they're still beta even one of them is not. I love that company and modules, but... please! Please finish them!

[Toxic]

Some friends were angry to me, when I complain about "beta module" and its disadvantages.

 

Now we see, they're still beta even one of them is not. I love that company and modules, but... please! Please finish them!

 

+1

[Buren]

I'd also like to see some news regarding further Mi-8 development.

[Dudikoff]

Some friends were angry to me, when I complain about "beta module" and its disadvantages.

Now we see, they're still beta even one of them is not. I love that company and modules, but... please! Please finish them!

 

And the presumably better alternative was to wait all this time with no modules to fly?

 

Perhaps they're waiting for the DCS World 2 base code to continue the work as it will deliver some prerequisite features.

[Flagrum]

Perhaps they're waiting for the DCS World 2 base code to continue the work as it will deliver some prerequisite features.

Perhaps. But perhaps they could just tell us then ...

[Mr. White]

And the presumably better alternative was to wait all this time with no modules to fly?

Some like to simply "fly modules" and jump into a new cockpit every now and then (and I'm not meaning to categorize you there). The time between 2 releases is called "waiting".

 

Others are looking for in-depth quality simulations and for real life procedures in every aspect of flight. The time between 2 finalized releases could be called "enjoying / studying", but the time between bugfixes / system-development when dealing with an unfinished module is called "waiting / frustration" as well.

 

Totally different approaches here. "Better then nothing"-philosophy does not apply to everyone.

[BIGNEWY]

If they do not release them because they are not finished some people moan.

If they release them as beta with some work still to be done people moan.

 

Classic Paradox.

[Devrim]

And the presumably better alternative was to wait all this time with no modules to fly?...

Of course, my aim was not to create discussion, but these are what I say; You don't have to (or you shouldn't) wait "all this time". Because module company should have finished the module much much earlier.

 

Create a module that will be loved by almost everyone, name it "beta" and do not finish it for "ages". This shouldn't be a policy for customer satisfy. Launching a few rockets doesn't mean "finished" to me.

 

As I said before, these are my thoughts, I apologize if I hurt anybody.

[Toxic]

If they do not release them because they are not finished some people moan.

If they release them as beta with some work still to be done people moan.

 

Classic Paradox.

 

Well even a post every now and then from Belsimtek would put a lot of this to ease. I am just a big fan of the modules Belsimtek has released so far. Just the lack of communication from the company to it's customers I find a little annoying. :joystick:

Edited March 11, 2015 by Toxic

[Dudikoff]

Of course, my aim was not to create discussion, but these are what I say; You don't have to (or you shouldn't) wait "all this time". Because module company should have finished the module much much earlier. Create a module that will be loved by almost everyone, name it "beta" and do not finish it for "ages". This shouldn't be a policy for customer satisfy. Launching a few rockets doesn't mean "finished" to me.

 

You know, they could have just promised less features to begin with and save themselves a lot of trouble. Would that make you happier? Less features, but a finished module?

 

Yes, ideally, it would be all finished as promised/intended, but welcome to reality where there are always compromises involved and none of the options are ideal. And, finally, you did have the option not to buy the module until it leaves the "beta".

 

Perhaps. But perhaps they could just tell us then ...

 

That almost ended up in my post, but then I remembered seeing these "when will module X be finished and out of beta" from the very start with the UH-1H (and I'm not even following Belsimtek's forums much as none of their modules tickle my fancy yet so I just buy them at sale value and don't use them).

 

Perhaps at one point they just gave up on these kind of posts as they either don't seem to prioritize these missing features highly enough to justify investing significant resources into them over some module which will bring money to keep them afloat or can't deliver them before some prerequisite DCS World feature is released. They could use a community manager to at least post a FAQ and then direct these posts to some of the answers there, but at the prices these modules go for on sales, I'm not sure if they can afford a permanent one.

 

That being said, I'm 110% speculating here and since I have nothing of value to offer, but to play the role of "Devil's Attorney", I'll kindly excuse myself. Sorry for derailing the thread. Hope BST will shed some light on this (and more importantly, on the next helo module :) ).

Edited March 11, 2015 by Dudikoff

[EagleFox]

If they do not release them because they are not finished some people moan.

If they release them as beta with some work still to be done people moan.

 

Classic Paradox.

 

People don't moan becuase of that. They moan becuase they gave their hard earned money on module that is in beta for long time and they don't see any big work on it. They see other modules coming out which are almost fully finished and were started later then Mi-8!

[Devrim]

I agree with you Iceman!.

 

...Would that make you happier? Less features, but a finished module?...

The finished module doesn't mean a module with less feature. If you finish a module, you implement all features that you promised.

 

Ok. Whatever. Let's wait for Belsimtek to finish it.

[Skulleader]

People don't moan becuase of that. They moan becuase they gave their hard earned money on module that is in beta for long time and they don't see any big work on it. They see other modules coming out which are almost fully finished and were started later then Mi-8!

 

Yes you have right,

 

If I well understood BST worked with the real Mi-8 simulator (software) and normally it's very simple for them.

Yes it's very sad that BST work with the Mig-15 and F-86F and not really for the Mi-8. For the Mi-8 it's not really normal, it's the only module with so poor upgrade, very sad !!!

[Dudikoff]

The finished module doesn't mean a module with less feature. If you finish a module, you implement all features that you promised.

 

Really, Sherlock? You conveniently cut off the part of my post which would make your response miss the mark completely..

The point was that they could have promised a smaller feature set to begin with and never bother with things which were not that supported by the base game, but whatever..

Edited March 12, 2015 by Dudikoff

[outlawal2]

Besides, there is no specific timetable or time limit on a BETA program..

Either you have the stomach for a BETA and everything that entails... Or you don't..

 

Based on the complaints in this thread, most folks here do not have the patience to go thru the BETA process and would do well to not participate and simply wait for the announcement that the module is complete...

 

Of course that also means that you will be complaining the entire time about how long it is taking to complete the module so either way you will be unhappy.. And we have to listen to it...

 

At least with the BETA you can actively fly the module while waiting.. And remember that no matter how much you complain it won't change the required time to complete..

[statrekmike]

I think that it might be useful to put the spotlight on the fact that the Mi-8 has been in open beta for one year. We are not talking about consumers who are moaning about a product that has been in beta for a few months. We are talking about consumers who are looking at the calender and wondering when the final product will be available or even just some words from Belsimtek proper about the plan (even if exact dates can't be provided).

 

This is made even worse when you notice that the MiG-15Bis has entered beta in a largely complete state while their older modules don't seem to be getting a whole lot of attention (at least from a consumers point of view).

 

It's not really reasonable to say someone is being impatient or acting entitled (or whatever) when they ask about the final release of a product that has been in beta for more than a year. I mean, heck, they were able to deliver the MiG-15 in a largely complete state (or at least more complete than other Belsimtek modules on beta release) in the time that the Mi-8 has been in beta.

 

I am sure there are reasons that things are moving so slowly for some of Belsimtek's modules, perhaps they are waiting for DCS 2.0 but without any sort of word from them on the subject, I am left in the dark and my faith in them is wavering.

 

Hopefully they will comment not just on the beta/full release development plans not just on the Mi-8 but also on the Sabre. If that means slowing down the release of future modules until they catch up a bit, I can deal with that.

[kolga]

I think that it might be useful to put the spotlight on the fact that the Mi-8 has been in open beta for one year. We are not talking about consumers who are moaning about a product that has been in beta for a few months. We are talking about consumers who are looking at the calender and wondering when the final product will be available or even just some words from Belsimtek proper about the plan (even if exact dates can't be provided).

 

This is made even worse when you notice that the MiG-15Bis has entered beta in a largely complete state while their older modules don't seem to be getting a whole lot of attention (at least from a consumers point of view).

 

It's not really reasonable to say someone is being impatient or acting entitled (or whatever) when they ask about the final release of a product that has been in beta for more than a year. I mean, heck, they were able to deliver the MiG-15 in a largely complete state (or at least more complete than other Belsimtek modules on beta release) in the time that the Mi-8 has been in beta.

 

I am sure there are reasons that things are moving so slowly for some of Belsimtek's modules, perhaps they are waiting for DCS 2.0 but without any sort of word from them on the subject, I am left in the dark and my faith in them is wavering.

 

Hopefully they will comment not just on the beta/full release development plans not just on the Mi-8 but also on the Sabre. If that means slowing down the release of future modules until they catch up a bit, I can deal with that.

 

+1!!

 

I think that some people are misunderstanding the OP, all we are asking for is a little update on how things are going, and what their plans are. they have done such a excellent job so far! we need to to stay respectful to each other and to to the devs. Thank you Belsimtek!

[Skulleader]

Based on the complaints in this thread, most folks here do not have the patience to go thru the BETA process and would do well to not participate and simply wait for the announcement that the module is complete...

 

Yes it's true, bought Open-Beta is one philosophy and one choice and of course I've make this choice because I've bought all the Open-Beta from Belsimtek, Leatherneck, ED and it's not a problem but I found the evolutions or upgrades just a little bit rare for the Mi-8, no ?

 

The upgrades of the Mig-15 and F-86 are perfect but I have the sensation that these two modules possess more upgrade of the Mi-8, maybe because it's more easy to piloted one airplane than helicopter ?

Also maybe than the Airplanes are more popular that helicopter ?

 

I'm sure that the Mi-8 is a very complex machine to simulate maybe more than F-86 and Mig-15 and simulate one dificult and complex machine as Mi-8 ask more patience no ?

 

After that I'm a great fan of the Mig-15, this new module is incredible but one little message from Belsimtek about the future upgrades for the Mi-8 will be cool no ?

 

It's not a bad remark against Belsimtek just one question, bye. Skull

 

PS: I'm sorry for my language English mistakes...