WildBillKelsoe Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 why is a carrier called a boat? Isn't that the only name to a submarine reserved by purists of the navy? Shouldn't it be called a ship? AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
Roadrunner Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 (edited) interesting question, maybe because it looks so small from a flying aircraft point of view? or maybe something like life boat, as it might be the only survivable area to return to? While the commanding officer of a ship is called the "captain" regardless of rank, in the case of an aircraft carrier, the captain wears the rank of a Naval Captain as well. Aviators do render proper deference to the "Captain" who is always a Naval Aviator (or Flight Officer), but they do not refer to the aircraft carrier as a ship, instead preferring to call it a what? Boat. Although some feel this is a slight to the long tradition of Naval etiquette, aviators call an aircraft carrier anything but its formal name fully aware that this bothers traditional Surface Line officers who command or serve on "ships". "Going to the boat" means flying out to the carrier, "hitting the boat" means landing. "flat top" was popular int he early days of carrier aviation when battleships vied with aircraft carriers to be THE capital ship of choice. "Steel beach" is a more precise term used for the flightdeck when flight operations are secure and the flight deck is used for either recreation or picnic type events. "Bird Farm" is a nickname used by surface sailors who man the escort ships in a Carrier Strike Group (CSG) by not favored by aviators. Source sounds a bit like "i'm airman, not mariner, so i call it boat, not ship ;) Edited May 7, 2015 by Roadrunner [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "There's nothing to be gained by second guessing yourself. You can't remake the past, so look ahead... or risk being left behind." Noli Timere Messorem "No matter how fast light travels, it finds the darkness has always been there first, and is waiting for it." Terry Pratchett
OnlyforDCS Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 Heh I like bird farm. Thats a good one. Bird farm, hhahahaah. Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals.
Jarm Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 I served on the U.S.S. Independence. We called her, Indy, Chicken of the Sea, Flat-top, Ship, and maybe a few other names, but we didn't call her a "boat". I just scanned through my 1961-61 cruise book (The Profile) and all references I found were "ship". Calling her a "boat" would have been as inappropriate as calling a "piece" a gun. Piece is the naval term for a rifle, for example. A"Gun" is that big old cannon that goes boom on a destroyer or similarly armed vessel. lol
Vampyre Posted May 9, 2015 Posted May 9, 2015 In the culture of Naval Aviation an aircraft carrier is a boat. All aviation officers and ratings call it a boat. The black shoes hate it and that's why we do it. Truly superior pilots are those that use their superior judgment to avoid those situations where they might have to use their superior skills. If you ever find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! "If at first you don't succeed, Carrier Landings are not for you!"
Brisse Posted May 9, 2015 Posted May 9, 2015 (edited) Hello! Marine engineer speaking here. The definition of a ship is that it has to be larger than 12 meters long and 4 meters wide. If it's smaller then it is a boat, but in most cases it's fine to say boat for anything that fits the definition of a ship. A ship can carrier a smaller boat and a boat doesn't.This is an often cited description but it's not a formal definition, so not entirely correct. Edited May 9, 2015 by Brisse
Wolf Rider Posted May 9, 2015 Posted May 9, 2015 how does "old tub" equate to that? :) City Hall is easier to fight, than a boys' club - an observation :P "Resort is had to ridicule only when reason is against us." - Jefferson "Give a group of potheads a bunch of weed and nothing to smoke out of, and they'll quickly turn into engineers... its simply amazing." EVGA X99 FTW, EVGA GTX980Ti FTW, i7 5930K, 16Gb Corsair Dominator 2666Hz, Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit, Intel 520 SSD x 2, Samsung PX2370 monitor and all the other toys - "I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar"
WildBillKelsoe Posted May 9, 2015 Author Posted May 9, 2015 Wow, so its an aviation-navy product... Figures... I know 100% that submariners call their subs as boats... At least back in Fleet boat days... I think its legit because its Fleet Boat. Destroyers are often called tin cans... Thanks to real and academics who dropped in. AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
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