Stiffer TM Warthog or force sensor mod thought

[Lobinjaevel]

I'm thinking of going the opposite of most and have a stiffer TM Warthog, I would like it to be a mix between a regular spring stick and a force sensor stick, if that makes any sense.

 

I recently tried a SAAB Gripen stick prototype, and it was much stiffer than the TM Warthog, so it thought that maybe I can mod it to be closer to the Gripen's, because I quite liked it.

 

What would be the best way to accomplish that?

 

 

I see two options:

-First it to perhaps add a spring to the TM to make it feel closer to it, and then setup curves in DCS so that it's playable.

 

- Secondly would be to get the FSSB R3 and then make a baseplate that has a little give in it, maybe a thicker rubber piece.

This is pretty expensive tho, even if the FSSB R3 is a nice piece of gear.

 

 

The sought after result should be that it feels like a force senor stick when I put little force on it, but moves when I put alot of force on it.

 

 

Any suggestion, feedback and idea is welcome,

but if you don't like it and don't have any contructive to say, please move along :)

 

Cheers,

Robin

[jcbak]

I know that doubling up on the four small springs will reduce tension. What would happen if you removed those springs entirely?

[WildBillKelsoe]

I wouldn't touch the gimbal or assembly with a 10 inch pole. The gimbals break with current force, mind you double force. Problem is they should've thought about it before rolling off the first batch.

 

Also, SAAB Gripen is a different type of craft than the hog. I'm sure I'd welcome some real hog driver input on a fresh hog stick (TMWH) compared to the real deal.

 

 

hegykc is doing prototypes on hornet/eagle sticks as hog compatible replicas, so he might know more about the workarounds.

 

Can the condom mod (CH) work?

[Lobinjaevel]

The condom mod might work, will try that, thanks!

I will try some different density foam and see what gives the best results, hopefully a more dense one doesn't put to much stress on the gimbal.

 

I used a extended TM before and also a modded MS FFB2 stick, but it won't fit the cockpit I'm building, as it will be a multi-role pit, inspired by the Gripen layout.

 

Attaching a image showing the fly-by-wire stick:

[TonyZ]

As a longtime warthog owner I'll just say that you SHOULD NOT! attempt to make the warthog stick any stiffer than it is. I've had my stick open several times to put in my stick extension and rewire the ribbon cable and those gimbals are simple not made to take the kind of stress your talking about. Regardless of whether you use spring or foam or rubber or whatever, those gimbals are just a kind of plastic and this stick is not designed for force sensing stresses. All you will do is wind up with a broken stick and a pile of heartache.

[Lobinjaevel]

Thanks for the imput, I've had it for quite a some time too, but never taken apart the base and checked on the gimbals myself, only read others experiences.

 

I have one "sacrificial" stick, no PCB's or switches, that I'm going to try it on regardless, but I will start with a low density foam at first.

With this solution I can't go as stiff as the Gripen prototype, but a little perhaps.

 

The best solution would be the FSSB R3, then the gimbal is out of the equation, but it's hard to justify the cost, just to make the stick "feel a little nicer".

 

But again, thanks for the input, very appreciated!

[Ala13_ManOWar]

I recently tried a SAAB Gripen stick prototype, and it was much stiffer than the TM Warthog, so it thought that maybe I can mod it to be closer to the Gripen's, because I quite liked it.

Just thinking out loud. May be the stiffness of the Stick was just because aircraft was on ground and switched off? I'm not sure a FBW stick have to be so stiff.

 

S!

[Lobinjaevel]

It did feel stiffer than the real Gripen stick I tried, but that was also on the ground.

I do think that the prototype is a little stiffer than the production one, but I don't think being grounded affects it.

 

I forgot to ask a technician about it specifically, but they never mentioned it when we were talking about the FBW.

 

The reason I think they made it stiff, (me speculating, NOT based on any facts), is that it's very precise with little effort and still gives you movement when you make a hard turn, then perhaps they changed it for the production.

 

EDIT: This is only from my memory, so I could be wrong on many things!

Edited July 9, 2015 by Lobinjaevel

[-Hammer-]

If you have the money for the FSSB R3, get it :thumbup:

 

I received mine two days ago and it is absolutely awesome, compared to the original Warthog it is like driving a Ferrari vs. an old truck

I was finally able to do an aerial refueling without crashing into the tanker :)

 

And believe me, I know it is a lot of money :cry: