J7G Posted September 20, 2015 Posted September 20, 2015 September 15th, at exactly 0030 NZ Standard Time.
Azrayen Posted September 20, 2015 Posted September 20, 2015 The only reason that people know the difference between AFM and PFM is because ED made up labels and applied them to different modules. I'd be willing to bet that 99% of people wouldn't have been able to tell the difference between the AFM Su-25T and the PFM A-10C in terms of fidelity of underlying flight modelling. The only way we know the difference is because we've been told. +1000!!!:thumbup:
Manuel_108 Posted September 20, 2015 Posted September 20, 2015 While we're talking definitions, you should also define "realistic". The Su-25T has AFM not PFM and it's arguably the most realistic feeling aircraft in the sim. There's a degree of subjectivity in there, but unless you're a real life pilot of any of the modules, that's true of all of them. The only reason that people know the difference between AFM and PFM is because ED made up labels and applied them to different modules. I'd be willing to bet that 99% of people wouldn't have been able to tell the difference between the AFM Su-25T and the PFM A-10C in terms of fidelity of underlying flight modelling. The only way we know the difference is because we've been told. Well said. As long as it isn't SFM it's all good.
Flamin_Squirrel Posted September 20, 2015 Posted September 20, 2015 I'd be willing to bet that 99% of people wouldn't have been able to tell the difference between the AFM Su-25T and the PFM A-10C in terms of fidelity of underlying flight modelling. The only way we know the difference is because we've been told. If you want a better comparison, fly the A10A (AFM) and the A10C (PFM). The difference is subtle, but noticeable.
Scarecrow Posted September 20, 2015 Posted September 20, 2015 Hey guys, flight modeler here! I've seen a myriad of questions across the various threads on the flight model fidelity. You guys probably haven't heard from me in a very long time but trust me I've been busy at work on the flight model. Based on that, quality of the EFM is targeted to be in the PFM ballpark as I feel we will have nearly all of those checked, although I think the designation of that term is not up to me. I admit, data is not as richly available as the F-16, F-18, F-15, etc... there is a lot that can be resolved via aircraft and control geometry using various aerodynamic and airfoil tools. We also have data on the control theory for the M2000C. In extreme envelope regions, similar aircraft and airfoil CFD and wind tunnel data is being used to fill the gaps with corrections made to match known performance and, so far, no scripted maneuvering. Suffice it to say I think you will be with happy how fun she is to fly and will be as exactingly close as possible. Lastly, playing with the control laws dynamically turning on/off the FCS is an eye opener on how dangerous she is to fly without control augmentation! Excellent news. This statement should really be stickied. I had trouble ascertaining the FM fidelity level of this module from the Eshop description, so hesitated to make a purchase. Now I'm in.:)
BlackLion213 Posted September 20, 2015 Posted September 20, 2015 Just to reinforce things, Wags stated in his video update today that he expects the Mirage 2000 to have high fidelity of systems and flight modeling that "will be in the same level as the A-10C". I certainly wouldn't view any part of this module as "watered down". I expect/bet this module will meet the standards already set out by ED and Leatherneck, it looks really promising. -Nick
cichlidfan Posted September 20, 2015 Posted September 20, 2015 Just to reinforce things, Wags stated in his video update today that he expects the Mirage 2000 to have high fidelity of systems and flight modeling that "will be in the same level as the A-10C". That's what I would 'expect' as well. However, expectations are just that. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
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