Esac_mirmidon Posted January 7, 2016 Posted January 7, 2016 And Eastern also. A huge furball could be. Both on air and ground. Good terrain for Mig-21's " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4
LuSi_6 Posted January 8, 2016 Author Posted January 8, 2016 at one point in history, there where more MiG-21 than all NATO jets alltogether. And a non AIM-120 Eagle could only engage one target at a time. As for short range, well everything in west germany was well in range for the MiG-21. Don't forget, Cold War means shitty AIM-7 and F-16A over Europe. Something the Reds could handle :pilotfly: Warthog HOTAS, Saitek Pedals, Oculus Rift :joystick:
TomCatMucDe Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 Sorry for the interruption but what does this discussion have with the mirage ? :D
Esac_mirmidon Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 Correct. Sorry. Back on topic " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4
TomCatMucDe Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 I talked yesterday to the mission designer on this server and he said he will add SAMs near the Mig airbrase. Yesterday they couldnt take off and everybody left after that. I think we should leave them a free spawn zone. With SAM coverage, it will be interesting to try some low flying and bomb the runway. and try to RTB in one piece. The bombing would be symbolic though. There is no runway damage model in DCS
ImTooLazy Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 Oh they could to t/o... At least one of them...
nomdeplume Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 The bombing would be symbolic though. There is no runway damage model in DCS There sort of is a notional idea of it; AI flights will not use an airbase which has a bombed runway. Ones that are taxiing to takeoff will stop in their tracks. I don't think it impacts humans though, other than ATC probably not giving takeoff clearance. Though I do vaguely recall craters affecting takeoff runs in the past. Might be imagining it...
TomCatMucDe Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 There sort of is a notional idea of it; AI flights will not use an airbase which has a bombed runway. Ones that are taxiing to takeoff will stop in their tracks. I don't think it impacts humans though, other than ATC probably not giving takeoff clearance. Though I do vaguely recall craters affecting takeoff runs in the past. Might be imagining it... you probably played Falcon :) there it is modeled. It is not modeled in DCS, there are no craters and nothing stops you from rolling over a bombed position. It would be fun to virtually bomb their runway, but it is better that it doesnt stop them from use it, it is not the goal not to see them in the air :)
jojo Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 you probably played Falcon :) there it is modeled. It is not modeled in DCS, there are no craters and nothing stops you from rolling over a bombed position. It would be fun to virtually bomb their runway, but it is better that it doesnt stop them from use it, it is not the goal not to see them in the air :) Weird thinking :huh: Bombing a runway is risky business, what's the purpose of such efforts if it's still usable??? Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi
TomCatMucDe Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 Weird thinking :huh: Bombing a runway is risky business, what's the purpose of such efforts if it's still usable??? It's a game. The point is not to destroy the runway and stop the server. But you can assume that you destroyed the runway and inflicted a strategic blow to the enemy without killing the gameplay
blkspade Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 you probably played Falcon :) there it is modeled. It is not modeled in DCS, there are no craters and nothing stops you from rolling over a bombed position. It would be fun to virtually bomb their runway, but it is better that it doesnt stop them from use it, it is not the goal not to see them in the air :) Runway craters do damage jets trying to take off, generally preventing take off. The real problem is the cratering isn't persistent. Only people who were on the server when it happened can see and are affected by the damage. If you joined after or disconnect and rejoin, the damage is gone. http://104thphoenix.com/
TomCatMucDe Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 That's interesting to know. I will be trying it tonight. Get ready to scramble.
jojo Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 Runway craters do damage jets trying to take off, generally preventing take off. The real problem is the cratering isn't persistent. Only people who were on the server when it happened can see and are affected by the damage. If you joined after or disconnect and rejoin, the damage is gone. ok, great MP code then :D Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi
blkspade Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 ok, great MP code then :D I guess it has something to do with the runway not being an object, and bombing it doesn't trigger an event. If it not an event the server doesn't know it happened and as such can't update new clients. http://104thphoenix.com/
Hummingbird Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 Maybe you should let me tell you instead of deciding for yourself :doh:... I hate it when words get put into my mouth. That's why I said "if" ;) I mean let's not kid ourselves, the only reason the MiG-21 is able to hold its own against the Mirage in WVR engagements atm is due to the Mirage's major lack in sustainable load factor. Once this gets fixed things will take a dramatic turn. Surely you will agree with this.
ttaylor0024 Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 Anyone see the server? It isn't showing up for me. If you know it's on and have the server IP I would be grateful if you posted it here. I'm trying to teach a friend to fly the Mirage and it's difficult anywhere but this server
fdswer Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 Anyone see the server? It isn't showing up for me. If you know it's on and have the server IP I would be grateful if you posted it here. I'm trying to teach a friend to fly the Mirage and it's difficult anywhere but this server I noticed a bunch of servers stopped showing up for me yesterday
KansasCS Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 The 21 is an interceptor first and foremost. Not used for direct air superiority or strike missions. Remember that when crunching numbers as to ascertain the "blow" of a soviet first strike. Gesendet von iPhone mit Tapatalk
KansasCS Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 Mirage weapons may be failed, but damage model is too. Many mirage i hit with R3-R did not had any issue. We had a 2v2 in our squadron. We surprised the mirage and banged them simultanously. Both turned into fight, undamaged. One of them actually did not even noticed he was hit :P had the same online too. My radar was down and my thrust was reduced to an extent. I had to engage you with the gunsnake without lock :D Gesendet von iPhone mit Tapatalk
ttaylor0024 Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 I noticed a bunch of servers stopped showing up for me yesterday It's back on now... with a 500 ping. Unplayable
LuSi_6 Posted January 9, 2016 Author Posted January 9, 2016 :pilotfly: Warthog HOTAS, Saitek Pedals, Oculus Rift :joystick:
Hook47 Posted January 10, 2016 Posted January 10, 2016 That's why I said "if" ;) I mean let's not kid ourselves, the only reason the MiG-21 is able to hold its own against the Mirage in WVR engagements atm is due to the Mirage's major lack in sustainable load factor. Once this gets fixed things will take a dramatic turn. Surely you will agree with this. It won't. It's already a mistake to get in a turning fight with a mirage in the Mig, so dramatic turn is definitely overstating it.
Hummingbird Posted January 10, 2016 Posted January 10, 2016 It won't. It's already a mistake to get in a turning fight with a mirage in the Mig, so dramatic turn is definitely overstating it. Considering that the Mirage can currently only hold a max of 7 G, which I believe the MiG-21 can approach too, then it's not an overstatement at all.
Hummingbird Posted January 10, 2016 Posted January 10, 2016 Yup, at 5,000 ft the MiG-21 can hold ~6.5 G's, thus at SL it can probably hold ~7 G's.
RoflSeal Posted January 10, 2016 Posted January 10, 2016 (edited) Which Mig-21 is this though? Ingame MiG-21 has emergency afterburner that can produce 100kN thrust. Considering this is US test data this is probably either Mig-21F-13 or MF which produce 56kN and 64kN of afterburner thrust respectively. Edited January 10, 2016 by RoflSeal
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