Starlight Posted June 4, 2006 Posted June 4, 2006 I think that a quite easy but still interesting add-on before release for BlackShark would be a NATO style airbase. I mean, TAB-V shelters, "western-style" runways, taxiways and hangars, plus some other things... Having F-15 and A-10 as flyables and taking off from soviet-style HAS, is quite a nonsense... just my 2c....
zaelu Posted June 4, 2006 Posted June 4, 2006 It is a fictional scenario... A-10 and F15 in Black Sea area... How many F15 are now in Sevastopol? What type of runway has Sevastopol Airfield? Western style? How about the shelters? :music_whistling: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] I5 4670k, 32GB, GTX 1070, Thrustmaster TFRP, G940 Throttle extremely modded with Bodnar 0836X and Bu0836A, Warthog Joystick with F-18 grip, Oculus Rift S - Almost all is made from gifts from friends, the most expensive parts at least
Weta43 Posted June 4, 2006 Posted June 4, 2006 Zaelu! What are you thinking ???? - Obviously the first thing the NATO forces would do in any war with the states of the old USSR is re-pave & re-paint the runways on any airfields they occupied, then build some new hangers & hardened shelters - otherwise how would the pilots know it was a "friendly" base ? Cheers.
Shaman Posted June 4, 2006 Posted June 4, 2006 Zaelu! What are you thinking ???? - Obviously the first thing the NATO forces would do in any war with the states of the old USSR is re-pave & re-paint the runways on any airfields they occupied, then build some new hangers & hardened shelters - otherwise how would the pilots know it was a "friendly" base ? :megalol: good one 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer
VMFA117_Poko Posted June 4, 2006 Posted June 4, 2006 Or maybe he needs it to make an avi with non-crimean scenerio with US aircrafts in main role... This could be only reason to use such an add-on.
Shaman Posted June 4, 2006 Posted June 4, 2006 What we need are some airbases in Romania and Turkey, that'd make more sense. 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer
thesystem Posted June 4, 2006 Posted June 4, 2006 And add the Romanian airforce with it's Lancers! Remake the MIG-21 model to a Mig 21 Lancer-C and Lancer-A And maby some Mig-29 Snipers!:pilotfly: DCS World, A10C, AV8B, M2k, FA18C, FC3, MIG21
3Sqn_Sven Posted June 4, 2006 Posted June 4, 2006 And add the Romanian airforce with it's Lancers! Remake the MIG-21 model to a Mig 21 Lancer-C and Lancer-A And maby some Mig-29 Snipers!:pilotfly: ...Maybe an X-Wing or two? 3Sqn - Largest distributor of Flanker, Fulcrum and Frogfoot parts in the Black Sea Region
zaelu Posted June 4, 2006 Posted June 4, 2006 What we need are some airbases in Romania and Turkey, that'd make more sense. And add the Romanian airforce with it's Lancers! Remake the MIG-21 model to a Mig 21 Lancer-C and Lancer-A And maby some Mig-29 Snipers!:pilotfly: Yeah! PLeeeeeaseee! :thumbup: And a cockpit for Mig-23? @169th_Sven Are you afraid of one grounded Sniper? :lol: Or some crashing Mig-21s? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] I5 4670k, 32GB, GTX 1070, Thrustmaster TFRP, G940 Throttle extremely modded with Bodnar 0836X and Bu0836A, Warthog Joystick with F-18 grip, Oculus Rift S - Almost all is made from gifts from friends, the most expensive parts at least
Shaman Posted June 4, 2006 Posted June 4, 2006 And maby some Mig-29 Snipers!:pilotfly: Maby no? There never been any MiG-29 Snipers in Romanian Air Force. 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer
Force_Feedback Posted June 4, 2006 Posted June 4, 2006 Maby no? There never been any MiG-29 Snipers in Romanian Air Force. He meant Sniper, not the plural form. :P Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
Starlight Posted June 4, 2006 Author Posted June 4, 2006 It is a fictional scenario... A-10 and F15 in Black Sea area... How many F15 are now in Sevastopol? What type of runway has Sevastopol Airfield? Western style? How about the shelters? :music_whistling: Turkey is filled with NATO-style airbase. there was even a user mod which added a NATO airbase in Turkey. Anyway it just doesn't make sense to operate F-15 from such airbases. In most cases they wouldn't be able to operate from non-NATO standard shelters. Even modern Soviet fighters had a hard time to operate from older shelters. Many times in Eastern Europe Soviet fighters were parked outside of the HAS because they just couldn't fit, since they were designed for smaller aircraft.
Weta43 Posted June 4, 2006 Posted June 4, 2006 And when we finaly get an extension to the map from E.D. with Turkey included, we'll probably get proper NATO style bases there. If NATO invaded the ex-Soviet block though, it's more realistic (in the short term at least) to take what you find. If the planes don't fit - the planes don't fit. Cheers.
chrno120 Posted June 4, 2006 Posted June 4, 2006 There should be a Turkish Airbase down the south east right? Let's just see how will Lock On world expand.. The most stupid member in the forum
Starlight Posted June 4, 2006 Author Posted June 4, 2006 you don't need to expand the whole LO world. Simply put, you create some detail around an airbase in Turkey, Romania or wherever you want. Just to create some more realistic environment for airfield ops. After T/O you climb, do your mission over the detailed Russian territory and come back into your detailed NATO airbase. stop. The point of my post was: - it's not realistic to see US/NATO aircraft operate from russian-style airbases. - I think it would require a not-so-huge effort to create a detailed NATO airbase. A full terrain expansion would require much more time and effort.
Starlight Posted June 4, 2006 Author Posted June 4, 2006 And when we finaly get an extension to the map from E.D. with Turkey included, we'll probably get proper NATO style bases there. If NATO invaded the ex-Soviet block though, it's more realistic (in the short term at least) to take what you find. If the planes don't fit - the planes don't fit. Soviet equipment was designed to be used also with captured material, and most of Soviet equipment was movable (control towers, comms, floodlights). NATO equipment isn't so "flexible".
Weta43 Posted June 4, 2006 Posted June 4, 2006 Starlight, E.D. has (from memory) said that they will eventually extend the map into Turkey. There is (was?) a mod that moves an exixting airbase into Turkey & (again if I remember right) modded it to a more western look (a search might find it). However - to the extent that it's realistic to see NATO aircraft operating out of bases in this part of the world, it's realistic seeing them do it from Russian style airbases. Cheers.
Weta43 Posted June 4, 2006 Posted June 4, 2006 "Soviet equipment was designed to be used also with captured material, and most of Soviet equipment was movable (control towers, comms, floodlights). NATO equipment isn't so "flexible"." All the less reason to expect NATO airstrips in the area in question - no? Cheers.
Guest IguanaKing Posted June 4, 2006 Posted June 4, 2006 Zaelu! What are you thinking ???? - Obviously the first thing the NATO forces would do in any war with the states of the old USSR is re-pave & re-paint the runways on any airfields they occupied, then build some new hangers & hardened shelters - otherwise how would the pilots know it was a "friendly" base ? Only if the host country allowed that. If they didn't say "Yeah, its cool, change our base any way you see fit", then it wouldn't happen. It'd be pretty easy to identify as friendly, as it WOULD have a TACAN station. ;)
Guest IguanaKing Posted June 4, 2006 Posted June 4, 2006 Soviet equipment was designed to be used also with captured material, and most of Soviet equipment was movable (control towers, comms, floodlights). NATO equipment isn't so "flexible". Popular myth. :D
VMFA117_Poko Posted June 4, 2006 Posted June 4, 2006 The point of my post was: - it's not realistic to see US/NATO aircraft operate from russian-style airbases. How is that? In Poland, Czech, East Germany, Hungary, etc. there was a lot of excercises with NATO's F-15s, F-16s presence and their pilots don't complain...
Guest IguanaKing Posted June 4, 2006 Posted June 4, 2006 Eastern airbases aren't as nasty as myth would have it, and NATO aircraft aren't as delicate as myth would have it either. I completely agree with Poko.
Weta43 Posted June 4, 2006 Posted June 4, 2006 "It'd be pretty easy to identify as friendly, as it WOULD have a TACAN station" Yeah - I saw you lobbying for (mobile units setting up) these in LOBS. My post was a joke - I figure if you've just invaded a country then changing the runway from Tarmac to concrete (or the other way) & re-painting the markings would come some way down the "to do" list. I figured that the pilots would tell the friendly bases because a/ they'd be mentioned in the briefing b/ they'd be entered in their navigation system & c/ they wouldn't be launching SAMs/firing AAA at them (not 'cause they had the right coloured runway) Cheers.
Guest IguanaKing Posted June 4, 2006 Posted June 4, 2006 I know it was a joke, just throwing a little info out there for those who might be confused by the joke. :smilewink:
chrno120 Posted June 4, 2006 Posted June 4, 2006 I think the important thing is that, there should be complete supporting equipment to the NATO aircraft like refuelers, tugs, radio ILS etc. but since Lock On wasn't really modelled to that depth, i think it shouldn't bother much. The Blue Angels did perform once on a soviet style airbase.. NATO base? .. yes, i get it, what you want is a western style Airbase. Of course it should be placed on the allied nation of NATO yes that would be great. =D The most stupid member in the forum
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